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Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by andreyf on Sunday March 01, 2009 @05:34PM (#499380)
It would not be so sad if he said that his goal was producing something of value, which often results in making money.

If one's goal is to maximize the value humanity creates, she should probably become an elementary school teacher. If one's goal is to make money, she should get an MBA or financial degree.

The former, to me, is significantly nobler.

Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by jacoblyles on Sunday March 01, 2009 @05:44PM (#499391)
It is less sexy and less popular, but the engineer that invents a more efficient manufacturing or distribution process that slightly reduces the resources used in products enjoyed by millions of people, perhaps becoming rich in the process, does far more good for the world than an elementary school teacher. Sam Walton did more good for humanity than any thousand average teachers combined.
Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by andreyf on Sunday March 01, 2009 @05:55PM (#499407)
Had Sam Walton been a teacher, teaching thousands of children throughout his life, what are the chances he would have inspired some them to be great engineers?
Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by SapphireSun on Monday March 02, 2009 @04:02AM (#499887)
If becoming a teacher is the ultimate instrumental good, then we would all become teachers, then nothing would get done.

Since that is obviously the worst of all worlds, it tells me that teachers do a good thing, but not the greatest thing.

However, without teachers, few things would get done as everyone would reinvent the wheel. This is also, while not the worst scenario, it is far from the best.

Thus, the best scenario seems to be that people should try to accomplish something, then go back and teach the next generation. The bonus is that these people will know how to get to the top.

However, people who are good at getting things done are not necessarily the best teachers, and for the people that are...

Perhaps, like we have today, those who are good at teaching and want to should teach, and those who want to produce should produce (and then later teach). The whole system relies on there being a good balance between the two. How to calculate the balance is very hard.

Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by andreyf on Monday March 02, 2009 @04:14PM (#500628)
Well, of course you are right that everyone can't be a teacher. However, realistically, I think we are very much on the opposite end of number-of-great-people-who-are-teachers spectrum.

Also worth pointing out that this isn't necessarily true for secondary education - Universities are institutions which allow great teachers to both do great work and teach. I'd hypothesize that if the same were extended to other institutions, and also to younger students, much value would come of it.

Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by unalone on Sunday March 01, 2009 @07:41PM (#499513)
Lower than the chances that people have been influenced by him as the creator of one of the greatest modern companies. He has far more reach where he is.

As a side note, this approach made him richer, too.

Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by unalone on Sunday March 01, 2009 @07:30PM (#499503)
The book specifically mentions making money, not earning it. The difference is that I can earn money by creating something that lacks value, and by having money change hands. If I create something of meaning, then by giving it to other people I lose nothing, and the money I earn is money made by the creation of value for reward.

"significantly nobler" is a means-nothing phrase. Nobility as a word is meaningless without backup. I would argue, to counter your point, that Steve Jobs has inspired more people to create beautiful, meaningful things than most teachers ever do. Teachers serve a purpose, but theirs is not the only noble trade in the world.

Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by jibiki on Monday March 02, 2009 @06:18PM (#500774)
Interesting. Maybe it's a dialect distinction, but to my ear, you have reversed the meanings of make and earn. A counterfeiter makes money, but a laborer earns it.
Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by allocativeeffic on Sunday March 01, 2009 @05:42PM (#499387)
Care to back that up?
Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by andreyf on Sunday March 01, 2009 @05:56PM (#499409)
Which part - that making money is not equivalent to creating value, or the specific example of teachers creating more value than MBA's?
Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by unalone on Sunday March 01, 2009 @07:30PM (#499504)
The latter.
Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by andreyf on Sunday March 01, 2009 @09:45PM (#499596)
I guess you're right that it isn't cut-and-dry, but my hypothesis would be that a great X-er can most of the time inspire children to be great X-ers themselves. Hence, whatever she would accomplish on her own, she can accomplish tenfold by inspiring her students.
Re:"Francisco's Money Speech" by Ayn Rand by unalone on Monday March 02, 2009 @01:19AM (#499760)
What about "teach by example"?