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Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @12:21PM (#4982658)
As always, I'm happy to answer any questions. :)
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by 16s on Saturday December 29, 2012 @01:04PM (#4982803)
When I see young men and women consulting, I'm always curious how it's working for them. Do your consultation customers care that you are so young?

I'm genuinely curious about this. Most successful consultants (that I know) have decades of experience in a specific industry or specialty, thus they have a large amount of knowledge based on actual, real-world experience and that is why clients seek them out. They are very successful, but that success seems solely based on their years of experience and insight.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by Swannie on Saturday December 29, 2012 @03:39PM (#4983357)
I think the confusion comes from the term 'consulting'. In my opinion: Freelancing is not consulting. Technical problem solving (e.g. scaling db, infrastructure improvement, assisting in migrating to a more recent version of a framework, etc. borderline. Providing advice to a team of developers, and doing a little of that work is consulting.

I see so many people claiming they consult, when infact they freelance. They get assigned work, as a temporary employee. Nathan sounds like he started freelancing and now he gets a bit of consulting in the mix too.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by 16s on Saturday December 29, 2012 @05:09PM (#4983678)
Very well put. I agree. Freelancing is a much better word. After gaining many years of experience, then one will have the insight and ability to actually consult.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @05:47PM (#4983780)
Based on that distinction (which I think is accurate) I probably do 50% consulting and 50% freelancing.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @02:09PM (#4983038)
Most of my consulting comes from people I've met locally. I have a pretty good reputation from speaking at user groups and code camps, so a lot of people know me. Age hasn't really been an issue (I'm 22).

When I first did freelancing I was 15 and 16, so it was much more difficult then.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by tinco on Saturday December 29, 2012 @01:50PM (#4982981)
With $4000 monthly expenses, you should have about 100k left in savings or some non-monthly expenses and probably a bunch of taxes, what do you do with your excess?

Is it something mundane like saving for a bigger house, or your pension, or are you reinvesting?

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @02:05PM (#4983021)
Currently I have about $85,000 in the bank. Most of that showed up in the last couple months. Another $15,000 has been earned, but not transfered over to my account yet. The trip to Europe took quite a bit of money, so I didn't have much around July or August of this year.

I'm not sure what I'm saving for, but the more money I have, the more reluctant I am to purchase things. For example, I have wanted to buy a Lotus Elise for a long time. My theory was I would get a used one for about $30,000. I convinced my wife that I could buy one when we had $100k in the bank. Now that we are close to that number, I don't want to spend it on something so frivolous.

We'll probably continue saving for a house. For now I am going to do some more traveling and continue to live as inexpensively as possible. For example, my current rent is $650 a month.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by mgkimsal on Saturday December 29, 2012 @05:05PM (#4983659)
Your goalposts are moving, and I've noticed that in myself.

I have freelancers I work with who tell me: "I'll just be fine when I've got 2 months of expenses in the bank". I tell them they probably won't, then they laugh, then eventually some of them see what I mean.

Sounds like you've got about 2 years of 'runway' in the bank - with no income and stable expenses, you could go for 2 years. I'm in a similar situation, and have found myself wanting less and less to spend any money. Some of that comes from simply remembering the effort it took to build up that amount, and then spending it literally in an instant on anything feels weird now. Yeah, I'd like a bigger TV (ours if 42" but 7 year old "ED" TV, not HD), but see little point in it as this one still works. Newer car? Yeah, would be nice - I can pay cash for a nice used car, but will probably hold on to this 8 year old one for another year or two.

The only things I'd like to buy, I want to pay cash for, and I'm still a long ways away (things like a private airplane, much larger house, etc). We do travel some - my wife will be going to Australia and I'll be going to Russia - buying those sorts of experiences with our families is one of the few things that we agree on spending money on. Outside of that, just continuing to pile up cash until there's a compelling case for spending it (or a true emergency need) is probably all you can do.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by petercooper on Saturday December 29, 2012 @11:07PM (#4984572)
Sounds like you've got about 2 years of 'runway' in the bank - with no income and stable expenses, you could go for 2 years.

This is where true freedom comes from.

With a runway like that, one can afford both psychologically and literally to double down and crank out a lot more products or businesses to get oneself up to a 5 or 10 year runway (or even "financial independence" if one is very lucky).

I think the best thing to do once a little momentum is gained is to grab onto the pendulum and get it swinging big so one can travel, buy a house, and all those sorts of things in 3-5 years. (This is not a direct advice to you since it seems you are already thinking this way :-))

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by mgkimsal on Sunday December 30, 2012 @01:15PM (#4986547)
The biggest hurdle (for me, certainly) is having the guts to step off that treadmill and devote all your time to something 100%. Personally, I have a wife who supports me, and even then it's still hard. I have some colleagues in similar situations with unsupportive families, and they will likely never be able to make that leap, not because of finances, but because of emotional/familial situations.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by petercooper on Sunday December 30, 2012 @06:27PM (#4987542)
I appreciate this is brusque and comes from a privileged position, but if my family were "unsupportive" or at least unable to pretend, they wouldn't be my family for very long, alas.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by mgkimsal on Sunday December 30, 2012 @08:21PM (#4987863)
If you've got bills to pay and kids to support, leaving a full time job to work on something with no income for several months is just not something most of them are going to be able to do. Even if they could potentially scrape by financially for a few months, there's no guarantee of any success, and the wives (3 different people I've known) have always said "no".

However, what I've noticed is that instead of "no, we can't do that now - let's try to work on a plan to set aside 8 months of savings to let you focus on your idea", it's been just "no, you're not doing that". But... are you going to divorce someone over that?

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @05:50PM (#4983786)
Yep. I will readily spend money on experiences like travel, but think really hard about about spending the same amount of money on a possession like a car.

Both our cars are older (7 and 13 years old) and have been paid off for some time. Not having a car payment is great!

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by tellarin on Saturday December 29, 2012 @10:40PM (#4984496)
Same here, the more I save, the less I want to spend on these things. The one huge exception is traveling. I even set myself a goal of visiting at least one new country per year.

The interesting thing is that with the years this has also affected other broader considerations. Nowadays I don't really think about buying a house anymore, as it is too big of a 'money and time' commitment and also because it would make it harder for me to move somewhere (which I've been doing quite often now).

Same applies to having a car. While I agree that having one can be incredibly convenient (and, sometimes, even necessary), I feel so much better not having to worry about gas, taxes, or maintenance.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by mgkimsal on Sunday December 30, 2012 @03:20PM (#4986958)
It's harder to move having a house, certainly (which I do), and where you live or move to will affect whether you need a car or not. In some ways, by not having a car, you're limiting your experience by saying "I'll never consider living in these places". That's OK, but it does have an impact. Likewise, if you wanted to have a car, you're sometimes restrained by the cost of parking the car in certain locations.

Gas - certainly a concern, but so is bus/subway fares, which replace gas if you don't have a car but still need to move around.

Taxes - for 2 cars we pay about $150/year.

Insurance - possibly $1000 per year.

So... maybe $100/month for taxes/insurance on 2 cars - for most people this won't break the bank. This also allows us to live in a more rural area with a somewhat lower cost of living (lower taxes for a start).

Maintenance - yeah, some. I don't think we worry about it, much like you don't 'worry' much about your electric bill or internet bill. It's a factor in life - there are repairs that come up, but again, the ability to be mobile when we want, in areas that aren't otherwise served by mass transit - is, for us, a plus right now.

Replacing gas/tax/insurance with monthly subway tickets, which I'd probably need to do if I lived in a major city, seems like it might be about the same (IIRC, a two week pass in Moscow cost be about $50?).

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by tellarin on Monday December 31, 2012 @12:05AM (#4988458)
I definitely agree that mobility constraints are common and usually affect decisions on where to live. And, as I stated before, sometimes you do need a car.

But my point was not really related to cost, but to "freedom" in some sense. After the money saving, then no longer wanting to spend money on unnecessary things (but travelling), then moving around, I feel I no longer want to have a car.

Mainly for two reasons:

- I don't miss being stuck in traffic on the drivers seat, or trying to find parking spots. If I'm on a bus, and there is traffic, I don't mind as much as I can read, or browse the Internet, or game or whatever.

- If I don't have a car, I don't need to worry what to do with it if I want to move. No worries about trying to sell it, or wondering if it is worth it to take the car to the new place, what's the traffic legislation on the new place, etc.

Yet another part of my PoV is that, even if a car is necessary, I no longer want a new/expensive car. For example, before moving to the city where I currently live, I had to have a car (as there wasn't much of public transportation there). But at that point all I wanted was a used car that's good enough for the daily needs; and that I wouldn't mind getting rid off later.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by ahoyhere on Monday December 31, 2012 @01:41PM (#4990308)
We recently bought a car in cash ($27k all told) and it HURT. I really didn't want to do it, but we couldn't get a loan for various reasons (namely we didn't have PA driver's licenses yet!). This was when we had over 6 figures in the bank. And it HURT to write that check.

Common sense would suggest that having a load of $$$ would make you free with your money, but instead (if you're smart), it makes you feel very protective of it.

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by pgrote on Saturday December 29, 2012 @02:17PM (#4983068)
How did you handle health insurance?
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by mgkimsal on Sunday December 30, 2012 @03:41PM (#4987029)
I'm going out on a limb here and supposing that he buys it from an insurance company. Not trying to sound snarky, but it's just not that big a deal for most people - it's a service and you buy it. Yes, it gets expensive for some people with certain conditions or over a certain age, but it's just a cost of doing business for a huge number of people.

Get a high-deductible policy ($3.5k - $10k) and your premiums for an average family could be between $300 and $600/month. (blue cross blue shield in north carolina, husband and wife in 40s and 2 teenage kids - sample quote).

Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by sorenbs on Saturday December 29, 2012 @08:02PM (#4984079)
Would be interesting to hear more about how the different book packages worked out. Was it worth it to make the instruction videos and interviews?
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @08:46PM (#4984196)
Yes, very worth it. Checkout this post: http://nathanbarry.com/behind-the-scenes/
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by sorenbs on Sunday December 30, 2012 @06:16AM (#4985403)
Tank you.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by zallarak on Saturday December 29, 2012 @12:47PM (#4982746)
If you were in the bay I'd definitely ask you to coffee / be intrigued to hear of your experiences. Congrats, that is so legit!
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by vclortho on Saturday December 29, 2012 @01:54PM (#4982989)
What about taxes and health insurance?
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @02:12PM (#4983049)
I will have to pay a lot in taxes this year. Still need to do them... For health insurance I have a high deductible plan that comes out to about $280 a month for my wife, son, and I. We also keep about $5k (and growing) in a medical savings account to meet the deductible.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by stevenwei on Saturday December 29, 2012 @06:31PM (#4983893)
It probably makes sense at this point to talk to an accountant (if you don't already have one). I don't know how your business structure is set up, but you may want to look into setting up an S-corp and/or a retirement plan like a solo-401k.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by ja27 on Sunday December 30, 2012 @11:50AM (#4986254)
$280 a month? Is that maybe an employer plan that your wife is on? If not, I've got to get more agressive in my insurance shopping. We haven't gotten a quote below $1000 a month for a family of four.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Sunday December 30, 2012 @03:42PM (#4987030)
That is an individual plan for myself, my wife, and our 1 year old son. We are both young (22) and have no health issues. Also it has a $5k deductible and we live in an inexpensive state (Idaho).
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by karolisd on Saturday December 29, 2012 @03:35PM (#4983339)
What did you use to make the ebooks?
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @05:51PM (#4983788)
iBooks Author, then exported it to a PDF. It's great software.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by braveheart1723 on Saturday December 29, 2012 @01:36PM (#4982928)
how much tax you paying ?
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nathanbarry on Saturday December 29, 2012 @02:05PM (#4983023)
A lot. I don't know exactly how much, but it will be far more than any other year.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by jrockway on Saturday December 29, 2012 @02:22PM (#4983083)
Wouldn't it be good to figure this out before claiming to have doubled your salary? When you have a W-2 job, your employer pays a lot of taxes that are not included in your salary. When you switch to 1099 or self-employment, you now have to pay those taxes yourself.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by stevenwei on Saturday December 29, 2012 @04:01PM (#4983449)
The employer pays 6.2% of wages up to $110,100 for Social Security and 1.45% of wages (no limit) for Medicare. It's small but known quantity.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by zulfishah on Sunday December 30, 2012 @01:49AM (#4984920)
For next year, you probably want to talk to an accountant about paying estimated taxes. If you drop 20k in taxes to the IRS at the end of the year, they're not going to be happy. In fact, you can get fines for doing that.
Re:One Year After Quitting My Job by nwhitehead on Saturday December 29, 2012 @02:19PM (#4983074)
These are the problems you want to have.