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Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @04:58PM (#4971131)
Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market. Not everyone is interested in getting the Democratic talking points of the day when they watch the news.

That's not to say Fox has a high quality broadcast. It doesn't. But it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC.

Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by gnaritas on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @06:25PM (#4971495)
> Fox News exists because the other national broadcasters weren't serving half of the market

Yes, the half that want to be lied to because reality is too distressing for them; so distressing in fact that they call reality liberal media bias.

Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Wednesday December 26, 2012 @08:20PM (#4971844)
No, actually the half that's tired of being lied to by reporters with a liberal bias. Your "reality" isn't objective reality. Tell me, have you guys found Lucy Ramirez yet? In your, you know, reality?
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by gnaritas on Thursday December 27, 2012 @12:44AM (#4972502)
Non-sequitur and False equivalence.
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Thursday December 27, 2012 @01:46AM (#4972621)
No it isn't. That's exactly the sort of thing that makes conservatives distrust the liberal media. Being lied to for political gain.
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by gnaritas on Thursday December 27, 2012 @09:33AM (#4973409)
False equivalence. Fox lies far more than any other station, finding a lie on CNN doesn't justify the "liberal media" non-sense conservatives have made up.

Conservatives distrust the media because they don't like hearing things that don't jive with the belief system and reality is full of those things; it's as simple as that. Colbert nailed it when he said reality has a liberal bias, as did Stewart when he dubbed Fox bullshit mountain.

Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Thursday December 27, 2012 @03:15PM (#4974829)
>False equivalence. Fox lies far more than any other station, finding a lie on CNN doesn't justify the "liberal media" non-sense conservatives have made up.

If it's false equivalence then the difference lands in my favor. Fox has never used obviously fake documents to try to throw an election like that. And there's reason to believe "Fox lies more than any other station", no matter how many times liberals tell each other that's the case. The lying from CNN and (of course) MSNBC has been epic over the last few weeks.

Oh, and by the way, Rathergate was CBS, not CNN. At least try to get your facts straight.

>Conservatives distrust the media because they don't like hearing things that don't jive with the belief system and reality is full of those things; it's as simple as that.

This is just projection. Leftists in the US are angry at Fox because they no longer control 100% of the narrative. The idea this has anything to do with objective reporting is just conceit on your part.

>Colbert nailed it when he said reality has a liberal bias, as did Stewart when he dubbed Fox bullshit mountain.

The reason people on the left find Colbert and Stewart funny is they tell you what you want to hear. What Colbert "nailed" was his audience, and if you had any capacity for self reflection you would realize this.

Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by gnaritas on Thursday December 27, 2012 @07:14PM (#4975799)
Bwahahaha!!!! I bet you actually believe all the non-sense you're spewing; how cute.
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Thursday December 27, 2012 @10:18PM (#4976259)
Weak.
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by gnaritas on Friday December 28, 2012 @12:00PM (#4978369)
Yea, cause I'm so concerned about what a Fox news junkie thinks about anything.
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Saturday December 29, 2012 @07:51PM (#4984058)
The level of ignorance you've displayed thus far takes its own special talent. I salute you!

It might surprise you to know that, far from being a Fox news "junkie", I haven't watched broadcast television at all for years. But why would you be right about this when you're wrong about literally everything else? People like you are why the founding fathers thought a restricted franchise is a good idea, and I think they were right.

Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by gnaritas on Sunday December 30, 2012 @09:23PM (#4988065)
Nothing quite like being called ignorant by a stupid person.
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by angrycoder on Thursday December 27, 2012 @04:43AM (#4972896)
How are you guys making out with finding those WMD's in Iraq?
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by adventured on Thursday December 27, 2012 @06:06AM (#4973006)
Most evidence, including recent data, points to Saddam shipping them to Syria before the invasion began.

Nobody has yet 'officially' explained what Saddam did with the WMD we know for a fact he had. Shipping the weapons to Syria is the only logical explanation for their sudden disappearance.

Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Thursday December 27, 2012 @05:19AM (#4972947)
Why do you ask?
Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by namdnay on Thursday December 27, 2012 @10:05AM (#4973511)
> it's no worse than CNN or CBS, and it's certainly better than MSNBC

We haven't yet seen evidence of the head of CNN or CBS sending memos governing the angle under which the day's stories should be viewed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies#...).

However terrible CNN and CBS may be (take for example their outright cheerleading for the second iraq war), they remain organisations devoted to covering the news. Fox is devoted to controlling the news, which isn't the same thing.

Re:Congress, at Last Minute, Drops Requirement to Obtain War... by tsotha on Thursday December 27, 2012 @03:04PM (#4974769)
I don't find it controversial when a company's management gives editorial directives to its employees. I expect CNN and CBS do the same thing even if we don't have copies of the memos. Certainly it's not difficult to detect an editorial slant in their news coverage.

Why didn't CBS fire Dan Rather immediately when Rathergate came to light? It's hard for me to imagine Fox easing out someone slowly after they'd left its reputation in taters.

>However terrible CNN and CBS may be (take for example their outright cheerleading for the second iraq war), they remain organisations devoted to covering the news.

I haven't seen much evidence of that, especially lately when they've used every possible angle after the Connecticut shooting in their full-throated advocacy of gun control.