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Re:Don't be the out of touch Kung Fu master – John Carmack by socalgal2 on Sunday September 13, 2026 @12:24AM (#49680010)
> just 20 years ago, all the most popular software shipped with NO tests

not sure what you're point is here. It sounds similar to "we use to use blood letting and leeches and doctors didn't clean their hands and everything was fine so what are you getting at?"

Good tests have real benefits. The fact that people shipped without them in the past in no way suggests they aren't needed or have no point.

Re:Don't be the out of touch Kung Fu master – John Carmack by feffe on Sunday September 13, 2026 @05:24AM (#49681845)
Also, 20 years ago SW was tested by QA department and approved before shipping. Don't want to go back to that, but there were testing, just differently.
Re:Don't be the out of touch Kung Fu master – John Carmack by flohofwoe on Sunday September 13, 2026 @06:32AM (#49682343)
IMHO getting rid of proper QA done by teams of QA specialists is the main reason for the current software quality crisis (and that already started 15 years ago or so). We should go back to QA teams and proper QA procedures! Automated tests are no replacement, especially when they are set up by the same people designing and building the product.
Re:Don't be the out of touch Kung Fu master – John Carmack by YeGoblynQueenne on Sunday September 13, 2026 @03:10PM (#49687539)
Well. First they came for the testers. Then they came for the developers.