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Re:U.S. State Department Pauses Immigrant Visa Applications by debatem1 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:26AM (#49459693)
Why is that how the moral issue is defined? Seems to me the moral issue is the stakes, and I have no idea why I would cede that judgement to you. What's your basis for claiming moral authority? If you don't, please show your homework: what strange anticonsequentialism underlies your claims, and why should I agree with it?
Re:U.S. State Department Pauses Immigrant Visa Applications by rayiner on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:29AM (#49459712)
Consequentialism in general is a third-world mindset. But in this particular context it leads to the absurd result that someone who breaks the rules more egregiously is rewarded for doing so.
Re:U.S. State Department Pauses Immigrant Visa Applications by debatem1 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:38AM (#49459785)
Those sure are words. Can you relate them to the question in some way?
Re:U.S. State Department Pauses Immigrant Visa Applications by rayiner on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:43AM (#49459820)
In first world countries, we focus on rules over consequences. If you build a dwelling on my property, the rule doesn't reward you for making a house rather than a tent. The moral analysis is based on the nature of the rule, not the consequences to those who break the rule.
Re:U.S. State Department Pauses Immigrant Visa Applications by debatem1 on Thursday August 27, 2026 @03:47AM (#49461309)
Hogwash. You're trying to slide from claiming moral high ground to pointing at rules, as though the American lexicon didn't have whole classes of words denoting the "virtuous rulebreaker" (maverick, renegade, etc). And, do you think all the rules you live under have moral weight? What if those rules changed, as they did here-- would you still think that?

Not to mention that it's still incorrect even if you're just pointing at the rules themselves-- the entire concept of standing to sue requires that you were harmed (ie, suffered consequences) to engage the courts in the first place. On the other side, results are the difference between attempted homicide and homicide.

Re:U.S. State Department Pauses Immigrant Visa Applications by TimorousBestie on Thursday August 27, 2026 @12:43AM (#49459816)
> Consequentialism in general is a third-world mindset.

Ah, this must be why so many utilitarian philosophers are European and American.