Re:Servus München: Waymo Is Coming to Germany
by moritzwarhier on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @07:40AM
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Hm, I see that is a problem, yes, but I thought we were talking about autonomous driving?
The crappy share-bicycles that nobody is responsible for also are kind of the opposite of the lender-owned car sharing car that might have predatory lending conditions.
In the end, what I would much prefer is sharing, yes. Treating vehicle infrastructure as public property (for the vehicles themselves, this must be more nuanced, especially for commmercial ones).
I don't think this requires a radical shift to "sharing economy" for everything.
But I get your issue with the idea. Most people have issues with this idea.
However, how public space is used never is an individual decision.
Car owners don't use their cars on their own property. And the more cars we use, the less mobile we are, in cities.
Now I'm knee-deep in the discussion I didn't want, I won't see this changing in my lifetime I guess, I think it demonstrates a fundamental flaw in economic logic to treat car ownership as something that is only the responsibility and freedom of individuals, because cars are only useful when everything is built for cars, and in dense areas, this restricts the freedom of others, it's not only about the freedom to have a car.
Everybody is free to buy a car and put it into their garden.
Btw, I agree about the crappy bicycles, like I said, I don't get why you equate this with every idea about changing traffic policies around cars, which are not something that revolves naturally from the right to own property. The topic is that using cars for anything requires to use other's property.
The ages-old urban planning discussion.
Again, I got myself into this discussion that I didn't want and that tends to make me misanthropic, so I'll check out here. I'm also in working hours and need to leave.
The crappy share-bicycles that nobody is responsible for also are kind of the opposite of the lender-owned car sharing car that might have predatory lending conditions.
In the end, what I would much prefer is sharing, yes. Treating vehicle infrastructure as public property (for the vehicles themselves, this must be more nuanced, especially for commmercial ones).
I don't think this requires a radical shift to "sharing economy" for everything.
But I get your issue with the idea. Most people have issues with this idea.
However, how public space is used never is an individual decision.
Car owners don't use their cars on their own property. And the more cars we use, the less mobile we are, in cities.
Now I'm knee-deep in the discussion I didn't want, I won't see this changing in my lifetime I guess, I think it demonstrates a fundamental flaw in economic logic to treat car ownership as something that is only the responsibility and freedom of individuals, because cars are only useful when everything is built for cars, and in dense areas, this restricts the freedom of others, it's not only about the freedom to have a car.
Everybody is free to buy a car and put it into their garden.
Btw, I agree about the crappy bicycles, like I said, I don't get why you equate this with every idea about changing traffic policies around cars, which are not something that revolves naturally from the right to own property. The topic is that using cars for anything requires to use other's property.
The ages-old urban planning discussion.
Again, I got myself into this discussion that I didn't want and that tends to make me misanthropic, so I'll check out here. I'm also in working hours and need to leave.
Have a good day.