Re:New Product From 280North: Atlas
by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday February 25, 2009 @08:44AM
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IB is a standard run-of-the-mill GUI builder. I found nothing in it that current versions of Microsoft tools don't do, quite the contrary. But the important thing is that separating code from the UI a bit better than VB did in 1992 is not what I mean by abstraction.
There are a few fundamental requirements for a language to allow for powerful abstractions. I think self-referentiality and closure (in the maths sense not in the CS sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_(mathematics) ) are among those requirements.
GUI tools are ages behind what today's programming languages can do in terms of abstraction. So I don't see why it should be a good idea to limit the expressiveness of my toolset by inserting static blobs or nibs of visual somethings everywhere.
To make it perfectly clear: I want to be able to insert a function in place of any static structure, anywhere! I don't want barriers that make this process more difficult. And that's what GUI builders do.
You say I can define UI things in code as well. Great, I'll gladly take that offer, thank you very much ;-)
There are a few fundamental requirements for a language to allow for powerful abstractions. I think self-referentiality and closure (in the maths sense not in the CS sense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_(mathematics) ) are among those requirements.
GUI tools are ages behind what today's programming languages can do in terms of abstraction. So I don't see why it should be a good idea to limit the expressiveness of my toolset by inserting static blobs or nibs of visual somethings everywhere.
To make it perfectly clear: I want to be able to insert a function in place of any static structure, anywhere! I don't want barriers that make this process more difficult. And that's what GUI builders do.
You say I can define UI things in code as well. Great, I'll gladly take that offer, thank you very much ;-)