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Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by greggman on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @09:48AM (#4942764)
If it's 100% open what are they doing to prevent fragmentation?

Also what has been done to make sure they can update any handset running Firefox OS independent of the manufactures and service providers?

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by OlavHN on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @10:12AM (#4942893)
If you refer to fragmentation as manufacturers slowing down upgrades because they are "differentiating" their Android devices then I believe the web ecosystem already has some experience there dealing with different browsers :)

I believe an alternative mobile ecosystem not centrally controlled like iOS and Android, but rather with a standardised core and fragmentation / innovation on top is a very exciting model. It's working great for the web, why is mobile fundamentally any different? It beats having to program every application three times from scratch to reach a full market.

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by stcredzero on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @11:05AM (#4943155)
> It beats having to program every application three times from scratch to reach a full market.

How are you going to counteract the interests of Apple/Google and other established players, who are going to hold onto their turf with all the power the network effect will give them?

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by kibwen on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @11:27AM (#4943283)
Apple's and Google's (and Microsoft's) platforms already contain web browsers. The "web platform" already exists on every relevant device sold on the planet. The only variable is to what degree each browser implements web standards.

The biggest missing piece of the puzzle is a webapp store that enables distribution, promotion, and monetization. And you don't even need a native app for this, as the "webapp store" could just as easily be a web page, thereby surpassing e.g. Apple's and Google's 30% cut (what are they going to do, block the web page?).

It's a long shot, but if Mozilla can pull it off it would be a huge leap for openness and consumer choice.

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by tres_bien on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @01:20PM (#4943892)
> thereby surpassing e.g. Apple's and Google's 30% cut

I think you meant 'bypassing'.

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by kibwen on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @04:42PM (#4945018)
I did! I heartily depreciate your diligence.
Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by stcredzero on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @02:59PM (#4944459)
> what are they going to do, block the web page?

I know for a fact that this can be attempted in iOS. I bought a Chinese iPad 2, and it has google.com blocked.

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by OlavHN on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @11:44AM (#4943383)
It's interesting (and somewhat surprising) that very few in this thread are criticising the "web stack" for being slow or lacking features or something along those lines.

If web standards now are getting performant and expressive enough to compete with dedicated, close-to-the-metal, technology stacks on mobile then the altruistic incentives of the web ecosystem might be enough. The incumbents have their incentives less aligned with users.

I'm not convinced Google will crush attempts at making the web a first class citizen on phones. After having pushed and developed the web for so long I think they already see it as their turf.

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by shardling on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @12:03PM (#4943470)
Their network effect doesn't extend everywhere -- Mozilla is initially pushing this in regions where there's a definite gap in the market.
Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by josefresco on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @10:06AM (#4942858)
A truly open 'anything' means that fragmentation is neither good nor bad, and implementations of this open thing can exist on an island (unable to upgrade).

Truly open might be messy and a little scary for some people but it means that diversity and open access can thrive.

Android only goes part way towards this idea while still trying to maintain control and influence over several key (money making) parts (I don't blame them). This hybrid approach to being open however doesn't sit well with all users.

Re:Firefox OS challenges the closed mobile ecosystems by greggman on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @12:44PM (#4943706)
Fragmentation has killed android for developers In china. Instead of one platform to target there are grater than 30 each with their own Apis, quirks, bugs and markets.

Instead of spending time making apps you spend time porting.

Each modified version also has its own proprietary market.

My question is, how will Firefox OS prevent this same problem with a 100% open system