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Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by Octoth0rpe on Friday August 21, 2026 @11:34AM (#49389688)
Voting is where the rubber meets the road. If they don't vote like they care, then they don't care for all intents and purposes.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by voakbasda on Friday August 21, 2026 @12:44PM (#49390697)
Voting is choose between two terrible candidates, neither of which represent the majority of any group’s interests. No one ever elected has delivered 100% satisfaction to the majority of their constituents.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by amavect on Friday August 21, 2026 @01:49PM (#49391604)
A reminder to support approval voting, star voting, and proportional voting so we can end the 2 party system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.equal.vote/
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by Gormo on Friday August 21, 2026 @05:35PM (#49394062)
Approval voting is reasonable, but a ranked-choice ballot with either IRV or a Condorcet tabulation would be better.

Proportional representation would be catastrophically worse than the status quo.

Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by amavect on Monday August 24, 2026 @11:05AM (#49420837)
Ranked choice is not better. It has the center squeeze effect.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by ClayShentrup on Monday August 24, 2026 @07:43PM (#49427343)
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by ClayShentrup on Monday August 24, 2026 @07:43PM (#49427342)
no, it would not be better. see voter satisfaction efficiency metrics from monte carlo simulation here.

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...

Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by ClayShentrup on Monday August 24, 2026 @07:42PM (#49427335)
score voting is simpler and better than STAR voting in every way, and approval voting is radically simpler and better in most scenarios.

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-only-voting-reform-worth...

and PR is a red herring.

https://clayshentrup.medium.com/the-proportional-representat...

Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by amavect on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @03:57PM (#49454934)
Thanks for sharing!

I love approval voting the most by pure simplicity and effectiveness. How does score voting work better than STAR? I thought STAR degenerates into score voting when clone candidates run?

I haven't heard much of an argument against proportional voting before. Your article just casts doubt, but doesn't really make a decisive argument against. I actually don't like proportional voting because it reifies parties into the system, but I only support it because I think it can break the party duopoly and step towards better systems. I should rethink that.

Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by summerdown2 on Friday August 21, 2026 @01:02PM (#49390954)
> Voting is choose between two terrible candidates

This framing makes it seem like the candidates are identically terrible. Which is never the case.

Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by voakbasda on Friday August 21, 2026 @03:01PM (#49392482)
Correct. They each offer their own unique flavor of extreme terrible.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by Gormo on Friday August 21, 2026 @05:36PM (#49394078)
And are able to capitalize on the fact that some voters are more afraid of terrible outcome A than terrible outcome B, and others are the reverse, to shoehorn both A and B into policy.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by stouset on Friday August 21, 2026 @01:16PM (#49391138)
Edited this after the fact to reduce the intensity of my tone.

This “both sides” nonsense is not particularly convincing when one party literally has masked goons on the street sending people extrajudicially to concentration camps.

Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday August 21, 2026 @01:02PM (#49390949)
No candidate is going to perfectly match your desires. So voting becomes a measurement of where your priorities lie.

Of course, media and the candidates themselves will use propaganda to manipulate your priorities.

Right-wing media has done a great job convincing people that the greatest threat to them are trans women in women's sports and illegal immigrants.

Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by stouset on Friday August 21, 2026 @01:19PM (#49391177)
Given that the Republicans claim to be the “party of personal responsibility”, I utterly reject this attempt to frame its voters as the poor and unfortunate victims of manipulation and choose instead to hold them personally responsible.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by mindslight on Friday August 21, 2026 @10:58PM (#49396196)
Like most marketing you can basically invert it to arrive at the truth. Republican propaganda continually harps on about personal responsibility because Republican voters are lacking it and desperately wish they had some. The propaganda is a coping mechanism.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by stouset on Friday August 21, 2026 @01:22PM (#49391226)
In other words, “the point of a system is what it does” applies to humans as well.
Re:Grand jury declines to indict Ohio man charged with destr... by s1artibartfast on Friday August 21, 2026 @02:44PM (#49392295)
Alternatively, they can care about principles and issues that differ from that of the other party.