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Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by AnthonyMouse on Monday August 17, 2026 @11:53PM (#49341066)
If the US had any foresight it could stave this off by making its own global payments system be the one with the lowest fees, and thereby keep people using US currency and US institutions.

Whereas if you give other countries the obvious win that they can stop paying ~3% of their entire economy to a foreign payments network then you lose the fees anyway and that other stuff on top of it.

Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by toomuchtodo on Monday August 17, 2026 @11:56PM (#49341079)
It’s not just about cost, it’s about control and sovereignty. Other countries do not want to have their payment systems rug pulled at the whim of whomever US voters decide to put into office each election cycle. The cost to build your own is reasonable.

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”

Europe Fights to Loosen America’s Grip on Payment Systems - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-16/europe-fi... | https://archive.today/o699I - June 16th, 2026

China nears launch of mBridge as alternative to Swift – report - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48636931 - June 2026

Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @12:38AM (#49341326)
> Other countries do not want to have their payment systems rug pulled at the whim of whomever US voters decide to put into office each election cycle.

Which is the reason the US is also shooting itself in the foot every time it rug pulls them.

If you want people to trust and rely on your thing then you kind of need to avoid being untrustworthy and unreliable.

Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by vkou on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @02:17AM (#49341974)
If trust and reliability were a priority for America, we wouldn't be where we are today.
Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by expedition32 on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @07:16AM (#49344015)
The US spent a hundred years building up soft power and all it takes to sink it is one mad emperor.
Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by KennyBlanken on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @01:03AM (#49341486)
> If the US had any foresight it could stave this off by making its own global payments system be the one with the lowest fees,

What global payments system? We have the worst payment systems in the developed world.

The US money transfer situation is so bad that all the major banks got tired of The Fed's incompetence...and simply bypassed The Fed. That's how we ended up with Zelle, which actually does instantaneous (or at least within minutes) transfers.

In 2026 it is virtually impossible to quickly move money from one account to another because every single bit of it has to pass through the US Federal Reserve's ancient systems. We're the laughing stock of the rest of the world's banking systems. Thirty years ago europeans could walk into a store, do a fund transfer to pay for something, and walk out. We still can't do that.

Literally the only way to buy something expensive in a store in the US is via credit card.

You can't use a debit card because of transaction limits and lack of consumer protections.

You can't use any of the "app" payment methods.

You can't do wire transfers.

You can't do checks because the US check clearing system is so bad, a check can initially clear (after a day or five), and then weeks later, bounce.

You can't do cash because it's now legal for cops to consider having an unusual amount of cash to be enough for reasonable suspicion and they've done some gymnastics that allow them to seize the cash and keep it even if the person is not charged or charges are dismissed.

Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @01:08AM (#49341511)
Notice that this is entirely a regulatory problem. Do we imagine that entrepreneurs in the US can't produce the technology for a good payments system? That's not the reason. The reason is that anyone who wants to build it gets squished by the regulators captured by Visa and Mastercard because they don't want anything that would take away their cut.

Zelle made it through by having various limitations that make it hard for it to displace credit cards, and even that took decades before it happened.

Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by dahdum on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @01:37AM (#49341669)
> You can't use a debit card because of transaction limits and lack of consumer protections.

My debit card is branded Visa so it has the Visa Zero Liability protections, and I can raise the purchase limit from $6k to $25k using the app.

Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @01:18AM (#49341561)
Zelle is not actually instantaneous. It is a frontend to ACH. The clearing of transactions still takes days.
Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by delfinom on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @08:52AM (#49344912)
>In 2026 it is virtually impossible to quickly move money from one account to another because every single bit of it has to pass through the US Federal Reserve's ancient systems

Which is why FedNow went live in 2024. In 2025 it already completed processing of $864 billion in transactions in real time.

https://www.frbservices.org/resources/financial-services/fed...

2026 is already looking to exceed $1 trillion in transactions.

Re:India built the biggest digital payments miracle: Now com... by SkiFire13 on Tuesday August 18, 2026 @02:19AM (#49341988)
> Whereas if you give other countries the obvious win that they can stop paying ~3% of their entire economy to a foreign payments network

To be fair:

- 3% is on the higher end of the fees amounts. In the EU they are now capped at 0.3% for example

- part of the interchange fee goes to the issuing bank, which is usually local