> Even on a site like HN, where rational and logical thinking is held in high esteem

That is until people are faced with stuff like this :D. Then emotions take over.

Food needs to provide more than calories. Do the same comparison per gram of protein.

The rational and logical is mostly an aesthetic preference, not lived value.

HN leans strongly reactionary and just likes to dress it up a bit so as to appear more respectable.

Indeed, that's the same answer when topics like public surveillance or dependency-inducing media are debated. It's difficult to criticize a problem, when you're a part of the problem, respectively paid to be the problem.

Ok but like, where do you get your protein? I'm sorry but bacon is tasty and I want to eat it.

/s

If I can’t eat meat and milk, what is the point of living? What is the point of doing anything if we humans cannot live the way humans have always lived (our “nature”)? What’s more important, the climate or human nature?

You know what’s the best way to combat climate change? Kill yourself.

I understand wanting to restrict private jets and personal cars since these are wasteful polluters not essential to life or human nature, but criticizing meat and milk is just misanthropy.

The key is "maybe try doing something", does not mean to destroy our culture. My child choose to be vegetarian but I just can not be bothered. I am too lazy. That does not mean I do not try to adapt. You can find the things that are wonderful with other ways of life.

>criticizing meat and milk is just misanthropy

I'm more triggered by how they count and compare plant and animal-based calories. They ignore one critical detail: human body is not a calorie meter. They don't take into account protein digestibility, phytic acid, phototoxins, non-digestible oligosaccharides that cause bloating. 200kcal of boiled eggs versus 200kcal of peas? Some people just really enjoy their peas and beans, I guess.

You think there's no point in living if you can't eat meat and milk?

Is there really nothing else going on in your life?

I'm sorry.

Is there nothing else going on in your life except to criticize other people's wanting to eat meat and milk, as humans have always done? That I'm sorry for.

You're moving the goalposts.

I'm not criticizing people wanting to eat meat or milk.

I'm criticizing making it ones entire point of living.

Is there really nothing else going on for you? Meat and milk all you have to live for? Surely you must see how that's not good for you?

I did not claim that eating meat and milk is one's entire point of living. I claimed that the entire point of living is to live according to human nature. Wanting to eat meat and a milk is a part of human nature for pretty much all of humanity's history.

You seem incapable of understanding rhetorical exaggeration.

Please reread the first sentence of your post above.

whoosh totally incapable of understanding a rhetorical exaggeration

Ironic you advocate people kill themselves after claiming life isn’t worth living if you can’t have meat or milk.

As the kids say: no u.