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Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by tolugenius on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @09:18AM (#49257828)
More interesting take on Nvidia's position than I've come across before. One thing to be noted is 1) Nvidia is already making moves in robotics so even if their position in AI (moreso llms) diminished, they certainly have another big avenue arguably harder to just get into (although I'm not sure what efforts Google is doing for the tpu in robotics). Another point is Nvidia is still the main player in the west, that is, China certainly can and will create their own full stack without reliance on US companies. That puts Europe and other countries in an interesting, do you buy Nvidia because it's the only option or for security. That's to say I believe Nvidia's position relied on many different things being true at the same time, and we're moving towards an environment where those things are certainly being contested at (roughly) the same time.
Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by godshatter on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @11:29AM (#49259890)
I'm just hoping that some day they can get back into the relatively small market of gaming gpus, even if for just nostalgia sake.
Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by wongarsu on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @09:45AM (#49258244)
Even in the west, Nvidia's dominance is bound to weaken. There is a notable uptick of articles on HN about people running large models on AMD hardware. And while I don't know official sales figures, I know we have trouble getting our AMD system delivered

AMD's software story is still a lot worse than Nvidia's. But patching up vllm to run one or two models you care about on AMD hardware is a much easier proposition than using them in most other fields of AI.

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by ekianjo on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @10:26AM (#49258961)
amd is not putting nearly enough effort to improve their software its almost suspicious
Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by officeplant on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @01:34PM (#49261661)
They've struggled with software even in the ATi days. It's just normal AMD behavior. Drivers will always be half baked.
Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by moralestapia on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @09:50AM (#49258334)
nVidia will fail right after reaching an 8 trillion valuation and supplying 80% of the world's hardware!

Trust me guys, it's over!

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by acdha on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @11:23AM (#49259798)
Nobody is saying they’re outright failing, but that they’re not going to be printing money the way they have been recently. Think about Intel circa 2010: most of their competitors like POWER or MIPS were marginalized, they owned the desktop and server markets with a bit of competition from AMD well contained, and their biggest desktop competitor (Apple) had just switched. A lot of analyst predictions … did not match what happened next. The same was true of Cisco a decade earlier. Both companies are still there but they don’t set the terms in their market segments.

I’m not predicting Nvidia will MBA themselves to death in the near future but I think there’s a tendency to overstate how profitable companies will stay. The more money Nvidia makes, the more motivated their competitors will be to get a piece of that market and the more customers will be looking for alternatives like the push into TPUs which the article discussed.

The current administration is definitely corrupt enough that you could imagine an anti-competitive deal of some sort but I don’t think there’s a way for even that to change matters because key competitors are well-connected American companies willing to play that game, too.

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by coredog64 on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @01:19PM (#49261456)
> The more money Nvidia makes, the more motivated their competitors will be to get a piece of that market and the more customers will be looking for alternatives like the push into TPUs which the article discussed.

Your margin is my opportunity - Jeff Bezos

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by bigyabai on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @01:58PM (#49262028)
But people have been saying this about CUDA for twenty years, and we are not any closer to a replacement GPGPU paradigm today.

The root comment in this thread was about Nvidia hedging their bet on lost AI market share. They recognize that a reduced pace in training and inference competition will undercut their business, but CUDA isn't a one-trick pony for LLMs alone. TPUs are - you can't even reuse the same architecture for training and inference, they're separate ASICs unlike CUDA cores/ALUs. Veterans of crypto mining will tell you that the ASICs lost in the end, as Nvidia was evolving their hardware faster than the ASIC manufacturers could iterate. When the crypto acceleration landscape diversified away from ETH/BTC into altcoins, Nvidia was still there making money hand-over-fist from mining hardware.

I guess you could argue that robotics, world models or computer vision won't be a trillion-dollar market. But Nvidia is positioned to be the first mover in all of these markets, and none of their competitors are even coming close to the integrated stack that they sell consumers.

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by coredog64 on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @04:15PM (#49263830)
> you can't even reuse the same architecture for training and inference

AWS begs to differ. They originally split between `Trainium` and `Inferentia` but now support both with `Trainium`

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by bigyabai on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @04:58PM (#49264387)
I stand corrected, only Google's post-Ironwood TPUs have the split as well.

Nonetheless, TPU architectures are still a systolic array, and have their own limitations for scalability and flexibility. CUDA is no silver bullet, but it satisfies the demands of the edge and research customers very well.

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by acdha on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @05:26PM (#49264733)
> But people have been saying this about CUDA for twenty years, and we are not any closer to a replacement GPGPU paradigm today.

How much money was in it for the first decade or so? I think AMD was asleep at the switch but e.g. Apple just did their own thing for the parts which they prioritized.

My understanding is also that Anthropic and OpenAI have also worked to decouple themselves so I think it’s likely that the CUDA moat is going to be less of a barrier than it used to be from the perspective of guaranteeing Nvidia profits.

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by bigyabai on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @08:47PM (#49266480)
Money wasn't really the problem. Apple pulled OpenCL together pro-bono, and worked with Khronos to find willing industry stakeholders that would oppose Nvidia. OpenCL needed hardware standardization though, and nobody wanted to design or implement on a scalable GPGPU architecture like CUDA had. AMD and Apple both bet big on raster efficiency, which turned out to be a terrible play when Nvidia was already putting dedicated ray tracing and tensor hardware into their GPUs. They both bet the farm against each other, and only Nvidia won.

Once Apple fully left Khronos, AMD played the smartest card they had; they architecturally split RDNA and CDNA into separate product lines, so they could optimize them independently. This staunched the bleeding, and gave AMD a datacenter presence that Apple Silicon could only dream of. Still not a scalable architecture, but better than nothing.

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by doctorwho42 on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @11:18AM (#49259737)
I think this is a great example of the disconnect people have in these types of conversations.

You can both become a company that supplies 80% of the world with your type of product, and then still have your stock go down in value.

All it takes is over evaluation by the stock market. Then a course correction from unsustained growth on growth (second order). So even if you continually replace YoY 80% of the world's hardware on a rotating business, but you don't increase market share or increase demand (aka growth)... Your business looks stagnant to the stock market, and there isn't really anything you can do about it. The best you can do is track inflation +/- 2%.

And that's why a lot of older established companies were dividend stocks. You don't expect to growth anymore, but that's not where the value is anymore... The value is in the reliable sales that will happen after infinitum because your company controls a majority share of the business... And that's ok! Unfortunately, silicon valley has created a philosophy of 'you gotta expand into new fields or your on the decline' - aka neo-monopolization

Re:Nvidia's Risky Business by spwa4 on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @10:20AM (#49258863)
Google has their robotics models, for example:

https://deepmind.google/models/gemini-robotics/

Google is mostly the party behind the whole VLA principle.