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Re:Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities by weakened_malloc on Thursday August 06, 2026 @10:19PM (#49205229)
It tells me the way they measure 'livable' is wrong. Given the choice, most people would choose to be in any one of those over where ever they are now, and the cities on 'most livable' lists.
Re:Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities by seanmcdirmid on Thursday August 06, 2026 @10:44PM (#49205373)
Those top 20 livable lists are always pretty narrowly defined though. They’ll mention some pricey cities in Switzerland for sure, and for forget the poor slouches that have to commute into Bern from Freiburg.
Re:Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities by holgerschurig on Friday August 07, 2026 @02:14AM (#49206509)
> They’ll mention some pricey cities in Switzerland

The thing is that these cities aren't pricy for swiss people, with a swiss pay-cheque (err, direct bank-to-bank money transmit). It's all a result of decades long higher inflation there, that now has this extreme price difference. And with prices did their wages increase ... but not yours, visiting Switzerland. At least the country is so small you can just drive through. You don't need to go into one of their supermarket and see that all the stuff is 2x as costly as north, east, west or south of it ...

But yeah, prices play probably a huge role in this "livability" index.

Zürich (Zurich) is at place 3, while Wien (Vienna) is at 2. And I guess this has something to do with the spectacular low flat rents in Wien. They have lots of non-profit cooperatives that own the houses and take rent so that they can refurbish the houses and build new ones (1/4 of all flats in Austria is build by such cooperatives). All over Austria, 16% of all flats/houses are owned by them. But I guess in Wien it's even higher.

There are comparison sites that say that in München (Munich) you pay in average 1249 € for rent, while in Wien it is 872 €. Okay, I select the most expensive german town, so maybe this is rigged. But even with capital vs. capital Wien is cheaper.

https://stadtkosten.de/vergleich/munchen-vs-wien

https://stadtkosten.de/vergleich/berlin-vs-wien

The nicest town isn't "livable" if people can't live there because it's only for DINKS.

Re:Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities by seanmcdirmid on Friday August 07, 2026 @03:04PM (#49214915)
Those deals are only for locals though. If you move to Switzerland you need to pay. Actually, the same is true of any place with any kind of public housing or rent control, it’s a sticky advantage. Having been subjected to the Swiss rental market before, it is stressful for outsiders.

I wonder if the USA will go down the same route eventually.

Re:Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities by foco_tubi on Thursday August 06, 2026 @11:31PM (#49205630)
That isn’t anywhere close to the definition of livable though
Re:Four simple rules behind Japan's most liveable cities by ahartmetz on Thursday August 06, 2026 @10:48PM (#49205389)
How'd you measure 'livable'? 1. income, 2-n crickets?