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Re:Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are ag... by yunwal on Thursday August 06, 2026 @10:22AM (#49197090)
I enjoy the process of solving problems with LLMs. I understand it's chaotic (what many people call non-deterministic), and that doesn't appeal to some people, but solving problems with statistics is problem solving just the same. Just because medicines don't work with 100% reliability doesn't mean Jonas Salk didn't solve a problem. The same is true with LLM solutions that don't work 100% of the time.

I think most people will come around to this way of thinking once the pro-LLMers stop pretending like the statistics don't exist too (i.e. that ML is the solution to any problem, despite how unreliable it is).

Re:Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are ag... by aravpanwar on Thursday August 06, 2026 @01:29PM (#49199722)
I don't think that should be an issue either way, especially if it is not production code and just a hobby thing.
Re:Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are ag... by yunwal on Thursday August 06, 2026 @01:31PM (#49199749)
Are you saying something being reliable is not a big deal? I'm sort of confused
Re:Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are ag... by thesz on Friday August 07, 2026 @05:15AM (#49207822)

  > The same is true with LLM solutions that don't work 100% of the time.
In my experience, about one of ten LLM suggestions during code review is important and valid. Nine of ten are either unimportant or not valid. Yet, I have to read them and rule them out.

Also in my experience, having my colleagues do root cause analysis (RCA) with LLM brings to me invalid RCAs which I have to rule out, instead of working on finding true RCA.

I saw part of documentary about Charlie Abrahams, son of Jim Abrahams. Charlie had epileptic seizures as a child, hundredths a day. In the documentary, Charlie's doctor said that no drug in his experience worked as fast as ketogenic diet (seizures stopped in three days) and as reliably as ketogenic diet (works on more than 80% of people). When he was asked why he did not applied ketogenic diet, he said there still were drug options to try.

"Medicines do not work 100% of time," my bald cranium.

Re:Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are ag... by yunwal on Friday August 07, 2026 @10:13AM (#49210763)
> Nine of ten are either unimportant or not valid. Yet, I have to read them and rule them out

You don't have to do this? Maybe someone is making you, but it's literally possible to just stop using LLMs for purposes where they fail reliably.

I'm also not sure what the point of the keto story is. Are you saying the Polio Vaccine does not work?

Re:Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are ag... by thesz on Friday August 07, 2026 @02:38PM (#49214637)

  > I'm also not sure what the point of the keto story is.
If this drug does not work, there are plenty of others that are not fully 100% working. This was a mindset of a doctor. In case of baby with epilepsy it may cost her a life.

The situation was much like we have with LLMs. "It does not work" - "You are using an inferior thing, here are more advanced."

What is the cost of these not fully 100% working things?

Re:Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are ag... by yunwal on Friday August 07, 2026 @04:50PM (#49216085)
ok i'm gonna be honest I still don't really understand what you're saying so I'm gonna bow out of this conversation