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Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by randomImmigrant on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:20AM (#49151510)
This is neuroscience. I don't give a damn about Christianity. And nothing here says humans are special. Only that biology broadly is different than computing.
Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by elendilm on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:33AM (#49151966)
Yet, evolution, the foundation of modern biology is easily simulated by any decent coder in 10 minutes - lookup weasel program.

The audacity to still claim biology is broadly different than computing is commendable.

Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by ChrisGreenHeur on Monday August 03, 2026 @02:39AM (#49152010)
Evolution is very far from just being natural selection. It’s a quite complicated field with many mechanisms. And when simulated on a computer we have not gotten anything similar to real biology yet. So we have more to learn.
Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by elendilm on Monday August 03, 2026 @03:04AM (#49152200)
No. Only 3 mechanics: replication, mutation and natural selection.

Write a weasel program and you will see for yourself.

current = "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX"

target = "THE LORD OF THE RINGS"

loop {

  replicas = replication(current)
  replicas = mutation(replicas)
  current = naturalSelection(replicas)

  print("generation", i, current)
  
  if (current == target)
     break   
}

You can thus make "Dog" turn into a "Cat". I rest my case :)

Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by lioeters on Monday August 03, 2026 @04:57AM (#49153061)
There have been experiments in "digital primordial soup", where primitive programs are cultivated under conditions with evolutionary pressure.

Computational Substrates: How Well-formed, Self-replicating Programs Emerge from Simple Interaction - https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.19108

Brainfuck, Forth, Subleq, and most recently Z80 assembly programs with mutations, interactions, and self-modification. Z80 has an LDIR instruction that copies a block of data from one location in memory to another, which allows the "organisms" to reach/discover reproduction quicker and more reliably in repeated experiments. As soon as that happens, it inevitably takes over the "world".

Hm, sounds more like "Lord of the Flies" than Rings.

Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by elendilm on Monday August 03, 2026 @05:46AM (#49153480)
The Paper's Scope: Abiogenesis (how self replicating programs emerge).

My Scope: Evolution proper (what happens after a replicator exists).

Once a self-replicating entity exists, the Weasel loop takes over. Conflating the origin of replicators with the mechanics of evolution itself mixes up two different things.

Laws of logic dictates if you can demonstrate E with R, M and N, then any additional variable is neither sufficient nor necessary.

From a strict theory-of-computation standpoint, if the core loop can be executed in code, then biological evolution is fundamentally an informational process, not a mystical "biological-only" phenomenon.

> As soon as that happens, it inevitably takes over the "world".

Agreed :). Looking forward to an epic battle of the pelennor fields.

> sounds more like "Lord of the Flies" than Rings.

Thats hilarious. "Lord of the Flies" it shall be henceforth :))

Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by ChrisGreenHeur on Thursday August 06, 2026 @06:13AM (#49194744)
https://open.maricopa.edu/environmentalscience/chapter/mecha...

your example is intelligent design, not evolution. it has the telos baked in

Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by DiscourseFan on Monday August 03, 2026 @01:26AM (#49151546)
I agree that it's a bit reductionist to boil this down entirely to "Christian Apologetics," I think you'd have to do some serious rationalizations to see how the notion of human finitude, time as the limit of cognition, is not originally a Christian notion, or at least is not informed by secular interpretations of theology such as the first place where this claim is made, Being and Time. Which is even more interesting because even Heidegger moved away from time as binding finitude and eventually came to the position that cybernetics would replace philosophy, that fundamental ontology would not withstand technological advancement.
Re:The Computational Theory of Mind (2015) by RussianBot9580 on Monday August 03, 2026 @10:24PM (#49163752)
I didn't mean Christianity, I meant Chesterton and Aquinas. Very elaborate explanations, great arguments, good writing - all to justify a failed model of the world.