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Re:Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.d... by pembrook on Monday July 27, 2026 @04:04PM (#49074871)
To be honest I like the idea of forcing merchants to accept credit cards in addition to this.

Regardless of how much I like the idea of a payments layer without Visa/Mastercard fees, I think the rich engineers of hackernews and 10,000 overpaid consultants who worked on this massively underestimate how valuable an interest-free 30 day bridge loan is to average people (and businesses) on monthly payroll.

Combine this with the consumer protections and threat of a dispute (which almost always sides with the buyer) and it generally tilts power to the consumer in most credit card transactions, if the consumer has autopay setup (huge caveat of course).

This new layer is totally neutral, and removes the detriment to the merchant in terms of fees/risk, but not sure it’s actually as good for the market as claimed here. For me it’s a net loss, and harming consumers ultimately harms the merchant in terms of willingness to buy things. If it becomes trendy for merchants to start refusing credit cards to use this instead, I will be WAY less likely to take a risk on a purchase I’m not 100% confident about.

Im not willing to try new products from most startups for example if I can’t buy on a credit card.

Re:Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.d... by bluebarbet on Monday July 27, 2026 @05:22PM (#49075692)
This applies more to the USA than to Europe, where "credit cards" are in fact mostly debit cards (cursory research says 71% vs 26% in America), and ordinary people tend not to be up to their necks in consumer debt. Anecdotally, I've never used an actual credit card in my life.
Re:Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.d... by pembrook on Monday July 27, 2026 @05:39PM (#49075852)
Data from the IMF says European households hold a similar level of debt if not more (especially the case in northern Europe):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household...

The US used to be an outlier in this regard if you look back to 2000, but over the past 25+ years American households have stayed pretty much the same while their European counterparts have grown debt substantially.

Re:Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.d... by bluebarbet on Monday July 27, 2026 @05:46PM (#49075917)
It is almost entirely mortgage debt backed by the collateral of housing.
Re:Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.d... by pembrook on Monday July 27, 2026 @05:56PM (#49075985)
Not the most productive asset to be leveraging, especially in rapidly declining birth rate countries, no?

Meanwhile, while headline credit card interest rates in the US look insane (like 20%+), in reality loss-adjusted yield actually realized by lenders and paid by consumers (after renegotiated settlements, bankruptcies, payment plans, etc) is less than half that.

You can look at the realized return on personal credit lending on companies balance sheets, its basically like 3.7%. Maybe a few percent more return than what a 30 year mortgage lender can expect going forward (now that we're returning to post-GFC 'normalized' interest rates).

Re:Decathlon Germany adds Wero payment option to decathlon.d... by hvb2 on Tuesday July 28, 2026 @11:17AM (#49085231)
Over 10% of interest is still a lot... And the fact that you get to that rate through settlements and bankruptcies is a good indicator of how much of a stranglehold debt has over a typical American household.

And it's fine if you don't think a home is a bad investment. I think most people do and so far that has worked out almost perfectly. That doesn't mean anything for the future, but there are no guarantees in investing. In a lot of places a mortgage gets you tax breaks too, as opposed to other credit.