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Re:Kimi-K3 Releases on HuggingFace 7/27 by teruakohatu on Monday July 27, 2026 @06:18AM (#49067448)
> My guess is that someone will be selling tokens at less than electricity + depreciation of GCs soon, since there's a lot of competition and "smaller" data centers have overcapacity? This is speculation, correct me if I'm wrong

My guess is they are selling you the tokens, then selling your tokens (data) onto someone else.

Re:Kimi-K3 Releases on HuggingFace 7/27 by pembrook on Monday July 27, 2026 @07:57AM (#49068307)
I see these conspiratorial arguments all the time and I think people massively overestimate the value of the average users tokens.

The problems with frontier models (design taste, ability to solve novel/difficult problems, etc) cannot be solved by throwing more slop from the average user at it.

Actually, most of the main deficiencies in current models stem from the fact that their data sets aren’t curated and specialized enough.

Re:Kimi-K3 Releases on HuggingFace 7/27 by horsawlarway on Monday July 27, 2026 @09:51AM (#49069707)
I don't think the goal of this data is necessarily model improvement.

I think it's marketing, advertising, and product refinement.

Ex: all the things Google wants your search data for.

It's somewhat silly to think the value of that data has changed much. Advertisers want to know what's popular and getting clicks and attention. Competitors want to know what features are getting used in their markets.

In the simplest case, think of this data as improving the harness, not the model.

Re:Kimi-K3 Releases on HuggingFace 7/27 by great_psy on Monday July 27, 2026 @12:01PM (#49071498)
I wonder how much less useful it is if I use those models for open code or similar. What are you really learning about me, other than the fact that I am a technical person, which you could know by the fact that I signed up for open router to start with.
Re:Kimi-K3 Releases on HuggingFace 7/27 by dannyw on Monday July 27, 2026 @10:56PM (#49078713)
Do you run your coding harness in a completely segregated sandbox? Even folder names of what projects you have, what projects you actually work on, etc are very useful for targeted advertising.
Re:Kimi-K3 Releases on HuggingFace 7/27 by MYEUHD on Monday July 27, 2026 @09:56AM (#49069767)
The prompts contain sensitive personal data.

That would be valuable to advertizers for example.