I mean, that's your right, but also they'll get new users too. So much of the internet is drowning in slop that any place that's still brimming with original content will likely see its stock go up, and will tend to attract people who still do original work, creating a virtuous cycle

How do you define "slop" ?

Yeah I don't know. It's impossible to draw a clear line, but the overall effect is not hard to identify. If your work supports a community and creates value, you can reasonably expect the community's support. If your work leeches from a community, you can reasonably expect the community to turn on you.

To me slop is identifiable by its effect: it is the type of work which leeches value

To me, this all sounds like the kind of fuzzy reasoning and nondescript language that turns communities into popularity contests and backstabbing competitions.

If Codeberg wants to put a flag up to draw in every programmer with a personality disorder, well that may be their right, but it’s not a good idea.

>To me, this all sounds like the kind of fuzzy reasoning and nondescript language that turns communities into popularity contests and backstabbing competitions.

Welcome to society. There is no such thing as a meritocracy.

Fortunately, some of us have this cool thing called intelligence, which allows us to build unique spaces that have different rules from the norm.

I love that way of thinking, but for me it's not intelligence but rather philosophy, community, and care (three things LLMs can mimic, but ultimately lack to an even greater degree than they lack intelligence)

Indeed it's almost like open source projects can use their collective intelligence and decide for themselves what's acceptable and what's not acceptable when it comes to free git hosting, irrespective of "the norm".

Tough. The world is fuzzy and nondescript. Platform says no porn, you ask if one bare nipple is porn. Platform says English only, you ask if it's okay to use loanwords. These would be good questions if you were programming a computer, but dumb questions to ask about a judge.

The real world (as in society) has labyrinthine processes and procedures, with multiple checks and balances, designed to ensure that justice is at least partially served. Codeberg appears to lack this.

And nations with civil law systems would disagree with your premise. Laws in these systems are expected to be clearly written without excessive room for interpretation. There are obviously still grey areas, but the systems aren’t flexible and open to interpretation like common law systems.

But in any case, we’re talking about a freaking git project host here, not a nation. They can set the rules however they want. But from a developer (user) perspective, they should favor rules that treat projects fairly and with a more liberal moderation policy.

Has any enforcement action occurred based on new ToS yet?

Not to my knowledge, but without a structured framework for those decisions, I have little confidence that enforcement will remain fair and even-handed moving forward. I also suspect that the ambiguity of the “reputation” clause will be abused in the future.

Codeberg doesn't allow porn. Are you concerned about it because you don't know if half a nipple is okay? Or is that rule fine with you, actually?

I would like a clear process by which these things are judged in the event of disagreement, yes.

And it bothers you they they didn't specify how much of a nipple is porn?

> the overall effect is not hard to identify

Yes, the effect is it will become a toxic community where your project can be summarily judged and instantly dismissed as slop because there's an AGENTS.md file in the repository or LLM attribution in the commit messages.

AI slop projects, or vibecoded projects, or projects made with heavy llm assistance, or whatever you want to call them are already divisive and the discussions about whether they aught be allowed are already causing strife in many communities.

Right or wrong many users are utterly uninterested in said content and wish that their existing communities could continue as they did prior to the onslaught. Naturally, some communities will decide to attempt to moderate in such a way that supports those users desires. As with most necessary moderation of online communities there will be gray areas and judgement calls and drama and abuse. There really isn’t an alternative.

...and? HN is already like that... I'm not here to give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm lookin' for minds at work. At the first sign that no mind is working, I'm gone

the same way United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart defined porn in Jacobellis v. Ohio, you know it when you see it

Sloppy and low effort reply. Claude does a better job. I'd paste the output but it's against the rules on HN.

You can find it on lobsters though, where I did post the full reply along with the prompt in response to the exact same cop out. To this day, it's the only coherent definition of "slop" in the entire 300+ comment thread I posted it in. Not bad for a clanker, huh?

Ain't no point being proud of what you didn't do

It's not pride, it's disappointment in my fellow humans.

perhaps wasn't your intent, but this clearly demonstrates the benefit of those kinds of rules for everybody around both on codeberg and here. and you're still here