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Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by landl0rd on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @09:08AM (#48920299)
Yes, I cancelled claude subscription a few weeks ago because sonnet 5 "ended a chat" over my calling something retarded. Unbelievably irritating for some pile of bits to get uppity with me; will never pay for such.
Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by n4r9 on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @09:46AM (#48920764)
Interesting. Was it persistent, or just once? Their post about this functionality says:

> This ability is intended for use in rare, extreme cases of persistently harmful or abusive user interactions.

https://www.anthropic.com/research/end-subset-conversations

Regardless of the correctness of it, I'm curious to know why you thought such language was actually going to be helpful!

Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by mdp2021 on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @09:15AM (#48920395)
This is the second level of the implementation of unintelligence.

The first was when they most obviously acritically repeated what they heard, "hearsay machines", "stochastic parrots". Intelligence requires assessment over every provisional output - a continuous cycle of criticisms over intuition.

The second is proposing doctrinal biases, again without verification of the content - "hysterical reactive machines".

Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by semiquaver on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @10:23AM (#48921295)
> Intelligence requires assessment over every provisional output - a continuous cycle of criticisms over intuition

It’s not clear what you’re saying. Most humans don’t think this way, would you say they do not possess “intelligence”?

Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by mdp2021 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @02:59AM (#48931194)
> Most humans don’t think this way, would you say they do not possess “intelligence”?

Substantially yes (but for the improper semantic in that 'possess'), we would say "they don't use it" and importantly "they don't train it". Intuition has a part, but it has to be confronted with reality (factual and logical).

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Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by embedding-shape on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @09:15AM (#48920396)
You really managed to zoom in on the right issue here.

Seems really weird to steer/configure/train a LLM/platform to literally close the session if you happen to use bad word too much, regardless if it's accurate or not. They don't get offended, they shouldn't pretend as such, and I should be able to tell it go fuck itself without it playing victim and closing the conversation.

Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by throw1234567891 on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @11:00AM (#48921893)
Sounds like the new one was trained on senior engineer’s with ego’s, maybe even grey beard’s. Majority of the training data is low quality, so sounds like “yes, you’re right! It works! I commented out unit test’s and now all test’s pass!”, while the new one is a passive-aggressive “if you know better and you talk to me like that, fuck you do it yourself”, or simply turning around and walking away because they don’t need take the abuse anymore.
Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by hhh on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @10:22AM (#48921290)
Why would you disrespect your own tools?
Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by embedding-shape on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @10:30AM (#48921432)
It's tools, who cares? I should be able to use a hammer, mistakenly hit my thumb with it, call it a bunch of names and maybe even throw it to the ground and stomp on it, and then be able to pick it up again, clean it and continue working with it. It's a thing, it shouldn't pretend to be a individual with feelings.
Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by throw1234567891 on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @11:14AM (#48922119)
Yeah, but the hammer doesn’t generate hits based on an algorithm. You hold the hammer, if you hit yourself with it, why do you call it stupid? I bet you don’t call the hammer stupid when someone else hits you with it.
Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by embedding-shape on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @12:28PM (#48923304)
Have you never used tools, been hurt by how you used them, know you are responsible yet take out your pain on the tool, verbally or otherwise?

Feels like I'm having a conversation with a robot who hasn't experienced emotions or the very least never used physical tools.

Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by hhh on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @03:13PM (#48925710)
no, why would I get mad at an abnormally shaped rock
Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by embedding-shape on Thursday July 16, 2026 @03:41AM (#48931437)
Because you're human, you're irrational and you do stupid shit.
Re:Societal Impacts: Claude's values across models and langu... by throw1234567891 on Wednesday July 15, 2026 @01:44PM (#48924496)
Must have been a long time ago.