Re:Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
by 27183 on Monday July 13, 2026 @01:56PM
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The number of people who think the emergence thing is settled smh... It's been a thing for at least 30yr, answering it one way or the other would be a big deal. It does nobody any favors having these infinitely capitalized hype firms calling themselves "labs".
Re:Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
by nsagent on Monday July 13, 2026 @03:04PM
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Sadly, like intelligence and reasoning, I think emergence is a word that people discuss while having different understandings of what the word means.
In the paper I linked, they talk of a particular take on the word that is commonly discussed in the ML research: between one discrete step and the next a phenomenon came into existence without existing before (i.e. it occurred spontaneously). The paper then goes on to refute specific claims. That's all I'm pointing out (I could point out similar issues with research into reasoning).
I think it's difficult to pin down "emergence" in the general sense as it likely goes into a deep philosophical argument like consciousness, so I'm unwilling to state whether or not some notion of "emergence" actually takes place. In that sense I agree with you.
Frequently, those alternative hypotheses are demonstrated to be true. For example, "emergence" as was researched and proclaimed by many labs, including places like OpenAI and Anthropic is due to using too few discrete steps in sampling a continuous phenomenon. See "Are Emergent Abilities of Large Language Models a Mirage?" [1] for example.
[1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.15004