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Re:Since Chromium 148, Math.tanh is now fingerprintable to l... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Sunday July 12, 2026 @11:21PM (#48887483)
"The HTTP User-Agent header was a mistake form the beginning."

User-Agent spoofing was added to NCSA Mosaic in 1996. The public www was three years old and text-only clients were still in widespread use

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/alandipert/ncsa-mosaic/mas...

NCSA Mosaic is the early graphical browser that begat Netscape Navigator that begat Firefox. Later came Internet Explorer, Safari, Chrome and so on

What was the point of spoofing in 1996

Several years ago, Google indicated it was going to "deprecate" the user-agent header in Chrome

As a matter of practice, by default I do not send a user-agent header. I only send the minumum headers required. For me, that's almost always 1-2 for GET and 4 for POST

For the vast majority of websites I have accessed,^1 this header minimisation has zero effect on the success of the HTTP request

1. For example, I have used a database of sites submitted to HN as way to test if header minimisation affects HTTP request success

Generally I do not use a web browser to make HTTP requests. I perform text processing on the HTML, JSON or whatever is returned, using custom utilities. I store information in SQLite. I read this information as plain text, preferably 7-bit ASCII. I dislike UTF-8

Onlilne debates about "browser fingerprinting" always seem to focus on trying to "blend in", e.g., via "spoofing"

As such, because browser continue to get more bloated with "features", online commenters argue in favor of sending more and more data points to servers that can be used to create a fingerprint instead of reducing the amount of data sent

Because, according to their reasoning (or lack thereof), sending less data would "stand out"

True, but it's generally easier to "spoof" a client that sends less data than one that sends more. And the number of sites that require a user-agent header is still smaller than the number that don't

Re:Since Chromium 148, Math.tanh is now fingerprintable to l... by Chu4eeno on Monday July 13, 2026 @09:13AM (#48892175)
I take it you either have a godly IP reputation, or you don't hit 90% of the current internet which is behind cloudflare, google, akamai, etc?

They're pretty brutal in blocking non-browsers, I tend to have to add a lot of useless headers.

Re:Since Chromium 148, Math.tanh is now fingerprintable to l... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Monday July 13, 2026 @04:36PM (#48898471)
According to their /clientrep-lookup database the IP address I am using has no reputation

Blocking "non-browsers" and blocking IP addresses are two different things, so to speak

The first is based on dumb heuristics and (incorrect) assumptions about behavior based on what software someone is (mistakenly) presumed to be using

The second is based on past behaviour

I send the minimum HTTP headers

I only request what I want; I do not send requests for ads, tracking or telemetry

I accept text formats, e.g., HTML, JSON, etc.

No need for images, CSS, Javascript, etc.

Re:Since Chromium 148, Math.tanh is now fingerprintable to l... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Tuesday July 14, 2026 @02:38PM (#48911257)
https://www.akamai.com/us-en/clientrep-lookup

IMO, there is a fundamental difference between (a) not using the data collection, surveillance and advertising-friendly software, i.e., popular graphical web browsers controlled by so-called "tech" companies that, surprise, said so-called "tech" companies and their business partners want people to use and (b) engaging in bad network behaviour, what some used to call poor "netiquette"

The heuristics used to allegedly identify bad behaviour, for example, sending the "wrong" value in a User-Agent header, are beyond stupid

But the false positive totals, "collateral damage", are apparently not large enough to matter

https://seclists.org/nanog/2025/May/246

Re:Since Chromium 148, Math.tanh is now fingerprintable to l... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Monday July 13, 2026 @10:56AM (#48893708)
HN replies sometimes (often) include statements unsupported by evidence

For example, something like "90% of the current internet is behind Cloudflare, Google, Akamai, etc."

The www is only subset of the internet and "90% of the internet" does not use a CDN

In any event, even if "internet" means "www" there is no evidence to support this statement

https://www.netcraft.com/blog/may-2025-web-server-survey

Further, being "behind Cloudflare, Google, Akamai, etc." does not necessarily mean a User-Agent header is required

For example,

https://www.cloudflare.com does not require a UA header

https://example.com is "behind CF" and does not require a UA header

https://www.google.com does not require a UA header

https://developers.akamai.com does not require a UA header

And so on

Individual www users, unless doing mass scanning or the like, probably do not access 100% of the www's sites (according to Netcraft, most are inactive)

More likely, individuals access only a fraction of the active sites

It's unlikely that individuals access exactly the same list of websites^1

For me personally, the vast majority of sites that I access do not require a UA header

The sample set I use as evidence to support comments I make about this on HN is a list of all sites submitted to HN over a recent period.^2 Currently this is 12,641 sites

1. To have a meaningful discussion about UA header requirements, a sample set of sites must be agreed upon

2. Perhaps HN readers access these sites and possibly access some of the same sites. Of course it's also possible that there are HN commenters who do not actually access HN submissions and instead only read comment threads and submit replies

https://news.ycombinator.com does not require a UA header

Re:Since Chromium 148, Math.tanh is now fingerprintable to l... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Monday July 13, 2026 @01:49PM (#48896225)
NB. Akamai does not require any specific value for the User-Agent header nor the presence of this header

For example, https://www.apple.com does not require a UA header

For example, http://www.slackware.com does not require a UA header. However, it does require Accept and Accept-Encoding headers

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