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Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by tonyhart7 on Saturday July 11, 2026 @11:01PM (#48877889)
its crazy that humankind can effectively end disease
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by darth_avocado on Sunday July 12, 2026 @12:06AM (#48878151)
We can, but if we’re not careful, it can come back.

After eradicating polio for decades, we saw a case for the first time in 2022. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9577438/

And given the drop in rates of immunization post covid, we can very expect more if the trend continues.

Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by pfannkuchen on Sunday July 12, 2026 @12:14AM (#48878186)
> 20-year-old Hungarian traveller

It’s weird that we require interventions that do have some documented risk to our own citizens so that foreigners can visit without restriction. If an illness is eradicated in our borders, why should we let in people who might have it? Odd tradeoff calculus.

Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by kg on Sunday July 12, 2026 @12:29AM (#48878265)
Read up on herd immunity. The problem isn't specifically 'foreigners' but the general question of whether enough people are vaccinated to prevent the disease from roaring back when it inevitably - it is not possible to stop people from bringing diseases into the country - reoccurs.
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by pfannkuchen on Sunday July 12, 2026 @12:56AM (#48878388)
Thank you for being condescending. Why would you assume someone doesn’t know about herd immunity?

You absolutely could require proof of immunization to enter a country. We don’t even try.

Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by nucleardog on Sunday July 12, 2026 @01:48AM (#48878663)
Because your entire premise here sort of betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept?

So we stop vaccinating people here, and require everyone that enters be vaccinated. Problem solved!

Except not really, because people here travel to foreign places. So also everyone that _leaves_ here needs to be vaccinated as well. But that's do-able.

Except, and here's the part where "herd immunity" is important: Being vaccinated doesn't prevent contracting the disease 100% of the time. The reason vaccines are effective isn't "you can never get the disease", it's because "if you get it, it can't spread to enough people to sustain itself into an outbreak".

If you require people traveling into or out of the country to be vaccinated and stop vaccinating at home, you're going to have someone bring polio back fairly quickly. The vaccine is not 100% effective, and polio is asymptomatic in about 75% of cases so many carriers wouldn't even know they have it.

In a vaccinated population, that's not a problem. The effective reproduction rate is <1. For every person infected, less than one other will contract it. It does out quickly.

In your unvaccinated population, the R0 is 5-7. For every person infected, five to seven others will be infected. The growth will explode quickly and given the rate of asymptomatic carriers there's no chance you're going to contain it.

(Also have you ever watched any zombie virus/fungus/etc show? Even if the vaccine is 100% effective, do you really want to hang the health of the whole country on nobody ever messing up vaccine administration, nobody lying, nobody faking paperwork, etc?)

So everyone has to be vaccinated anyway, and if they're all vaccinated anyway the risk of letting a potential carrier in is... pretty near nil in the grand scheme of things.

Your options are:

* Never let anyone in or out. (But honestly, it'll still probably get in. See: lying.)

* Eradicated the disease globally. We can do it, but less likely to happen now with USAID shut down.

* Vaccinate at home so when the disease gets in the country it doesn't spread.

Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by whatisthiseven on Sunday July 12, 2026 @08:26AM (#48880617)
Disappointing such basics of vaccine and disease spread theory have to be explained on HN, and you explained it very well.

The US is under such an enormous disinformation campaign. I don't know how we can immunize people against the BS they are assaulted with everyday. Too many people benefit from that gullibility and ignorance.

Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by BrenBarn on Sunday July 12, 2026 @01:28AM (#48878548)
You could, but if you have herd immunity, you don't need to, and if you don't have herd immunity, it's a losing battle.
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by ralfd on Sunday July 12, 2026 @06:38AM (#48880004)
> suggesting an origin from the live attenuated oral polio vaccine

Without immunizations that would’nt have happened though?

Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by summa_tech on Sunday July 12, 2026 @01:33AM (#48878583)
Well, it's complicated. As I understand, one of the polio vaccines - the oral one - has an unusual quirk.

The live virus used in it can reproduce and spread in low-vaccination communities. While the vaccine version of it will not cause paralysis, it can and occasionally does mutate back into a pathogenic variant.

So we're sort of maintaining a reservoir of polio, really.

Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by bawolff on Sunday July 12, 2026 @03:48AM (#48879212)
Hopefully though we will slowly wean off the live vaccine. For the most part the live vaccine is only used in developing countries. There are a bunch of factors that make that difficult but i think eventually we will get there.
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by cubefox on Sunday July 12, 2026 @01:49AM (#48878669)
Source?
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by ksenzee on Sunday July 12, 2026 @02:05AM (#48878748)
Not OP, but this is fairly common knowledge. Here's a reliable source - search the page for VAPP: https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-detail...
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by cubefox on Sunday July 12, 2026 @04:03AM (#48879288)
Thanks.
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by globular-toast on Sunday July 12, 2026 @01:57AM (#48878717)
Well, "can" is debatable. The only one we've effectively eradicated is smallpox and that was almost 50 years ago. Of course we couldn't actually eradicate it, though, and kept samples for "research purposes".
Re:Martha Lillard, last US polio patient using iron lung, di... by bawolff on Sunday July 12, 2026 @03:43AM (#48879191)
Well also Rinderpest, but i suppose you meant human disease.

Personally i'd call smallpox as actually eradicated despite the samples. I think its fair to call other diseases effectively eradicated, even if they aren't total. If less than 10 people in the world are dying per year, that is effective eradication even if not total