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Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Friday December 07, 2012 @07:33AM (#4886624)
Actually, I've been misunderstood. It's not Google that I tear to pieces at every opportunity, but the comically awful managers who watch terrorist attacks on TV and then think, "I'd like to do that to a company!" If Google cleaned house, it could be a great company and a cultural leader again.

There are a lot of things I admire about Google, and I think highly of most of the engineers. 95% of the engineers I met there I would gladly work with again.

In fact, I would recommend most people I know, if they get a Google offer, to take it. I would give them the gory details so they are prepared for what may happen, but if you join Google and end up on a good project that gives you visibility, it's a great place to work. Sure, there are unethical managers, but they aren't all bad. Why shouldn't they give the place a try?

The whistleblowing that I engaged in was in response to (a) incidents of management doing things it knew were counterproductive, to costs in the millions of dollars, just to keep rank, and (b) upper management refusing to discipline people for doing things that were immensely unethical.

What's amazing to me is that people will go to the mat to defend a huge company, when what they're actually doing is defending its rather abysmal management, which wouldn't do a thing for them.

Let me say it like this: Google is a fine company in most ways. It has built some excellent products, and the internal engineering tools are great. There's an incredible amount of talent. However, becoming an Argentina for disgraced technical managers who think constructs like "calibration scores" are a good idea is not a good business move.

If anyone is a friend of Google, it's me, because I've drawn light upon the managerial bloodsuckers that have been working to destroy the place.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by goatforce5 on Friday December 07, 2012 @10:45AM (#4887368)
> but the comically awful managers who watch terrorist attacks on TV and then think, "I'd like to do that to a company!"

What's that mean? They'll fly planes in to buildings? Strap bombs to themselves and blow up their buses?

> I would give them the gory details so they are prepared for what may happen

It sounds like you discovered office politics. It doesn't sound particularly unique to Google.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Friday December 07, 2012 @11:13AM (#4887536)
Terrorist was perhaps taking it a little far.

Despite claiming that it has a "peer review" performance system, Google has secret "calibration scores" which are set unilaterally by the manager and regularly destroy people's careers. (That they exist is not secret, but the specific numbers given are hidden.) There's a known problem with managers using low scores (but positive verbal reviews) to keep their reports captive but unable to transfer. I managed to find mine out, and it was substantially below the (completely respectable) 3.4 that I was promised, but that's another story.

Whoever came up with that idea (a parallel performance review that can silently ruin your career) was either deeply stupid or thoroughly evil. Google claims to hire only smart people, which leaves... evil.

A decent company will know that this is an opportunity for corruption and take performance reviews out of the transfer packet.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by untog on Friday December 07, 2012 @09:08AM (#4886909)
the comically awful managers who watch terrorist attacks on TV and then think, "I'd like to do that to a company!"

Sigh. Adding inflammatory rhetoric like this really doesn't help in painting you as a reliable commenter, either.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Friday December 07, 2012 @10:06AM (#4887172)
That was an aggressive dysphemism and perhaps I should retract it. They're more like black-hat trolls than terrorists. They push bad ideas into implementation for amusement, but not out of hatred or coercive intent.

Yes, I do believe that "calibration scores" were injected into Google out of a malicious schadenfreude. These people were not trying to do good for their company. They were trying to hurt Google for their own amusement.

When a company has a reputation of a cultural leader as Google did throughout the 2000s, there are people out there who want nothing more than to "hack" it and make it destroy itself.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by shadowmatter on Friday December 07, 2012 @01:58PM (#4888560)
Here I was thinking that there's no way anyone would call anyone else a child molester on a mailing list, and then you go ahead and liken managers to terrorists. Suddenly his story has more credibility.
Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Friday December 07, 2012 @02:45PM (#4888870)
I don't remember that comment, and I don't have access to that thread anymore.

You make one point: the people who destroyed Google's culture are not terrorists. That was a clumsy metaphor. Rather, they're saboteurs who are destroying the company for their own amusement, as I clarified in my comment below.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by Erwin on Friday December 07, 2012 @06:49PM (#4889880)
You missed this gem: "becoming an Argentina for disgraced technical managers" which I suppose implies that Google's evil managers are like hunted Nazi war criminals, and Google is shielding them from international justice (their war crime being orchestrating "calibration scores").
Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Friday December 07, 2012 @09:00PM (#4890293)
I was actually comparing them to cattle ranchers, because Argentina is known for excellent steak.
Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by tjic on Friday December 07, 2012 @09:41AM (#4887051)
> comically awful managers who watch terrorist attacks on TV and then think, "I'd like to do that to a company!"

I didn't know which side of this argument to give credence to, but that quote just helped me make up my mind.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by popee on Friday December 07, 2012 @10:43AM (#4887346)
One person once said that engineers are slaves of 21.century.