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Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by yuhong on Friday December 07, 2012 @02:33AM (#4885930)
I think michaelochurch did have real points. For example, look up Google+ nymwars.
Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by bad_user on Friday December 07, 2012 @06:43AM (#4886527)
Facts have value irregardless of whom communicates them.

For opinions on the other hand reputation matters a lot. You can't seriously give credibility to somebody with an obvious ax to grind, with an agenda and with a certain history. Even if that opinion seems valid, you may just be suffering from confirmation bias and at the very least you should seek out that confirmation from people you can trust.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Friday December 07, 2012 @08:08AM (#4886727)
I don't think you can trust any of the vocal Googlers who come out on these threads. Nor do I think they should be considered representative of Google. There are a lot of good people at Google-- probably most of them-- but they aren't especially active on Google-centric threads. What you get on these are people who see any acknowledgment of Google's imperfections as a personal attack on them.

There's a lot of good, and there's some bad, to Google. Whenever I post honestly about the place, there are 3 or 4 people who consistently come out for a fight. I don't mind that they exist and do what they do, because it's free entertainment for me, but regarding "people you can trust"... anyone who trusts them over me is too stupid to live. Trust me or trust none of us.

I am not claiming to be unbiased, and my experience at Google is rather limited. (I was there in what I've been told were the worst 6 months for the company's culture.) However, I learned an incredible amount in that time (more than most people learn in 10 years) about what happens to make good companies go bad.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by jmillikin on Friday December 07, 2012 @12:52PM (#4888127)
If you're interested in ex-Googlers' opinions on the nymwars, then Rachel Kroll or Skud would both provide more thoughtful commentary.
Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by Locke1689 on Friday December 07, 2012 @01:26PM (#4888349)
I never touched on the validity of the points he was making, only the god-awful nature of the discussion.
Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Friday December 07, 2012 @03:07PM (#4888978)
the god-awful nature of the discussion.

It's amazing to me how, if I write a post that's 90% pro-Google and 10% critical, people who I have never met come out of the woodwork to get their flamewar on. I think they enjoy it. I don't. I'm over that stuff and I find it tedious.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by rerere on Saturday December 08, 2012 @02:37PM (#4892477)
If you were "over it," then I doubt you would be making dozens of comments in this thread about it.

Protip: they're not laughing "with you" when you compare your managers to Osama bin Laden.

Re:Google+ Is Growing at Facebook Speed by michaelochurch on Saturday December 08, 2012 @08:38PM (#4893432)
I make "dozens of comments" because people I've never met come out of the woodwork to disparage me and they honestly have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

Saboteur is a better metaphor for the execs who came up with this shit than terrorist. They are maliciously destroying a company for amusement, but they're doing it from the inside. It's sabotage, not terrorism.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing the people who came up with the calibration-score and transfer-block nonsense at Google getting "a boot in [their] ass, it's the American way". Anyone who thinks it's morally acceptable to make political-success reviews part of the transfer packet deserves no less.