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Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by tptacek on Thursday December 06, 2012 @02:27PM (#4883357)
I don't "sound like" a copyright hawk. I am one. I am way, way to the right of HN on copyright issues.

So, your comment actually doesn't have much to do with mine. I am well aware that HN is full of copyright doves, and I respect that position (I feel like I'm going out of my way to be respectful of them). All your comment says is, "there's the opposite side of this copyright issue". Which is about as banal as telling me that water is wet.

Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by hahainternet on Thursday December 06, 2012 @03:21PM (#4883609)
From my perspective he addressed your points clearly and concisely and you responded by acknowledging these points exist and nothing more.

If you can't defend a position, perhaps you shouldn't be taking it.

Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by philwelch on Thursday December 06, 2012 @03:56PM (#4883749)
From my perspective, tptacek was not trying to reignite the Great Internet Copyright Argument for the millionth time, and instead was making a point about what was politically actionable today.
Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by pfisch on Thursday December 06, 2012 @08:29PM (#4884990)
mtgx is coming from a fantasy/idealistic world position and tptacek is coming from a position entrenched in reality.

I mean look at what mtgx said: "Now. Why is the first point about the size of the industry relevant? Unless you're talking about their ability to bribe...I'm sorry..."lobby" Congress to pass the laws they like? That shouldn't happen anyway, regardless of their size. Laws should be passed on common sense and what's good for the people at large, not based on how big is your bank account."

This is an absurd response to what tptacek said. If mtgx wants to advocate some kind of political revolution that is fine, but it is not an appropriate response to what tptacek is saying about Republicans spending political capital to effect change.

Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by guelo on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:17PM (#4883849)
Your "copyright dove" is my fierce information freedom hawk.
Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by tptacek on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:26PM (#4883890)
Sure. It's a shorthand, not a value judgement.
Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by stephth on Thursday December 06, 2012 @05:19PM (#4884153)
After watching (and thoroughly enjoying) mtgx's second linked video [1] it's become a little more complicated to discern the left or the right of copyright. I think the talk's final point of speaking of "values" is very pertinent and in a way relevant to the way this conversation branch progressed.

From your quote about DJs your copyright values seem to be at the opposite side of openness (whatever the antonym of openness is), but having been reading and enjoying your comments for a while I suspect that comment might just be misguiding. I think I'd like to read more about what your values on copyright are.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyf_0SMAsFA

Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by narrator on Thursday December 06, 2012 @04:32PM (#4883916)
Ideologue: One who can't elaborate their position in response to a counter argument and just repeats scripted talking points again and again until the other side gets sick of replying to someone so dull.
Re:Staffer axed by Republican group over retracted copyright... by aptwebapps on Thursday December 06, 2012 @11:00PM (#4885399)
If I was sure who you were referring to I'd probably be using the arrows, but since I can't I'll just say that mtgox really did not address tptacek's points. Or at least not the main thrust of them which was that this memo was completely unsuited to the RSC at this time.