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Re:A new Android malware from Google by armadyl on Thursday July 02, 2026 @08:10AM (#48760198)
All of which have beyond horrific security. GrapheneOS is the only acceptable alternative from mainstream Android.
Re:A new Android malware from Google by nativeit on Thursday July 02, 2026 @11:28AM (#48763094)
Don’t they have standard Linux security? Does my phone need to be more secure than my production web server?
Re:A new Android malware from Google by HybridStatAnim8 on Thursday July 02, 2026 @11:57AM (#48763454)
Linux security is quite bad. Android tries to improve this and GrapheneOS improves it even farther than that.

Which device you need to be more secure depends on your needs and which device you put sensitive data on, but a mobile device is going to provide far better privacy and security than any desktop hardware or OS is currently capable of.

Re:A new Android malware from Google by grapheneos on Thursday July 02, 2026 @03:52PM (#48766480)
There isn't a standard Linux distribution. Those operating systems have drastically worse security than a decent server distribution or the mainstream mobile Linux. Traditional Linux distributions don't have a standard set of core components or configuration so system administrators are assembling their own OS and the differences in security are vast. It's extremely rare to deploy anything close to the level of iOS and AOSP security but it's an entirely different environment on a server. Running a few server applications in weak sandboxes is far different than using a bunch of apps including an enormously complex web browser with a GPU, cellular, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc. There's also no serious attempt by almost anyone to defend Linux servers and desktops against physical attacks with the disk encryption only even attempting to provide protection for data before the encryption passphrase is entered, not after.

Those ports of desktop Linux to mobile don't have a proper privacy/security model for running applications. They don't have anything close to modern exploit protections or hardware-based security features crucial to protect against increasingly sophisticated and widespread exploits. AOSP is a Linux distribution with drastically improved privacy and security compared to a traditional desktop Linux traditional. GrapheneOS starts from there and improves privacy and security much further.

Re:A new Android malware from Google by einpoklum on Thursday July 02, 2026 @04:00PM (#48766592)
> Traditional Linux distributions don't have a standard set of core components or configuration

Huh? Of course they do. A standard set of components and configuration is at the core of (most) OS distributions.

Re:A new Android malware from Google by grapheneos on Thursday July 02, 2026 @04:12PM (#48766736)
System administrators of a traditional Linux distribution assemble their own OS out of their package and configuration choices. There isn't a well defined standard base OS. That's part of what makes it the traditional approach and is inherently incompatible with the privacy and security approach of AOSP or iOS in many ways.

Linux distributions use different implementations of init systems, shells, command-line tools and nearly everything else. Ubuntu uses glibc, systemd and Rust uutils coreutils. Alpine uses OpenRC, Musl and BusyBox as the defaults. Debian uses glibc, systemd and GNU coreutils as the defaults but supports other choices of init system. Each has their own variants of the projects they each package with different versions, patches compile-time configuration and default runtime configuration.

Using systemd, Bash, etc. on an OS Debian is a choice for the system administrator rather than the OS being defined that way. Even if people swap out major components for ones which aren't officially supported, it's not generally regarded as not using the distribution anymore. It's a far different approach than defining a standard base OS, developing that together as a whole with user installed packages and configuration changes are solely on top of that.

The higher up you go in the software stack, the more different things are across operating systems. The Debian installations across different machines are a vastly different OS with far different components and configuration. There are default sets of packages and configurations but not a standard base OS shared across each machine. Swapping out components and changing the configuration isn't making it not Debian and is pretty much required.

A huge portion of server Linux uses musl and BusyBox due to Alpine containers.

Re:A new Android malware from Google by einpoklum on Friday July 03, 2026 @05:35PM (#48780278)
Ah, I see, you mean an exclusive standard set of packages and its singular corresponding configuration.
Re:A new Android malware from Google by gpvos on Thursday July 02, 2026 @11:36AM (#48763191)
It's a pity DivestOS has stopped.