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Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by moxie on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @02:03AM (#4875291)
This is a story that hasn't shown itself to have legs, I think largely in part because both political parties are fully complicit, so neither are interested in driving the narrative.

So the problem is, what does it mean for the public in general to care? Or rather, what is the value of truth in a world where we have no agency?

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by DanBC on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @02:16AM (#4875319)
> So the problem is, what does it mean for the public in general to care? Or rather, what is the value of truth in a world where we have no agency?

The troubling truth is that many people would be either happy (or at least accepting) if the people doing the monitoring were also making big dents in the amount of spam being sent, or catching major criminals.

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by shmerl on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @02:30AM (#4875344)
> So the problem is, what does it mean for the public in general to care?

That's actually simple - public should use strong encryption. That's it. I.e. those who care about such violation of civil freedoms have no other option anyway, if attempts to prevent this surveillance will continue to fail (and with the current power - they most probably will).

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by rdtsc on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @02:44AM (#4875372)
They should. I agree, however effectively using encryption not as simple as it sounds (both hardware, software and user interfaces need to work together and well) for this to work. On the other side I predict using encryption is becoming strange/weird/suspicious. There is an already well designed propaganda framework to portray those who care about these issues as associated with all kinds of scary crimes.

I predict in the future after a couple of high profile scape goat cases where a famous suspected terrorist, illegal movie downloader, or say whistle blower, cannot be prosecuted because they used encryption, the use of encryption will become illegal.

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by chokma on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @06:23AM (#4875809)
> the use of encryption will become illegal

The problem with outlawing encryption is: everyone needs it for business purposes and to protect public / private infrastructure. If SSL encryption were to be forbidden, e-commerce would become very difficult...

Also interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing ("Chaffing and winnowing is a cryptographic technique to achieve confidentiality without using encryption")

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by shmerl on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @03:03AM (#4875397)
There were interesting encryption related cases already:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/01/forced_decryption_ru...

However I think if some state is to ban encryption, it can be called a police state without any doubt.

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by rdtsc on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @02:38AM (#4875361)
> So the problem is, what does it mean for the public in general to care?

For instance many care about some "moral" or "religious" issues that have no bearing with objective reality. So a lot time, mental and emotional effort goes into those issues.

It is kind of interesting that caring about privacy in general is become weird it is almost demonized and relegated to criminal sphere by default -- terrorism, child pornography, drug dealing, piracy all those "hot" issues can be triggered in order to argue against privacy. A few fear words sprinkled here and there, a scapegoat show trial and we are not too far from just using encryption becoming illegal. By default it has become "weird" defending privacy when the opposite should be true -- it should feel "weird" defending erosion of privacy (at least in this country given its Constitutional principles).

Re:'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistle... by intended on Wednesday December 05, 2012 @04:47AM (#4875606)
The greatest success in complicating this issue, has been the easy and constant association of crime in particular child porn, with encryption.

The messaging/stimulus/response isn't fully ingrained into people yet, but there is a strong need of an equally useful counter narrative.