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Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by dandellion on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @11:23AM (#48748385)
You'll never be able to agree on where that line should go. First because there's a cultural component to it. I'm from Spain so I can only talk for myself, but while he uses rude language, nothing I've ever read from him ever seemed particularly offensive. And second because any activity involving a large group of people will need some amount of toxicity if only to prevent other toxic people from derailing it, and since nobody thinks of themselves as the one that is being toxic to the project, there will always be some friction. You might not like fevers either, but they are necessary for a functioning immune system.
Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by debugnik on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @12:23PM (#48749370)
> nothing I've ever read from him ever seemed particularly offensive

You may have missed the "retroactively aborted" one.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/6/495

To be fair, he's got much more self-control now.

Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by utlsao on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @05:55PM (#48753644)
That post is so exaggerated that it is funny.

That implementation is also hilariously bad:

> read things ONE F*CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte

Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by maleldil on Friday July 03, 2026 @06:14AM (#48773226)
The irony of censoring "f*ck" while saying something like that.
Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by nosioptar on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @12:49PM (#48749742)
What a ridiculous comment. Here's a small sample of Torvalds being an ass.

https://github.com/corollari/linusrants/blob/master/table.md

Someone who doesnt see a problem with this is probably one of those toxic people who dont realize they're toxic you mentioned. Nobody wants to be treated how Torvalds treated people.

Also, coming from an orchestral background, I'm well aware of situations where the leader needs to be gruff. A gentle conductor will never get the idiot violists playing in tune. (A harsh one won't either, but at least the violists will be too scared to make any noise.) That said, it's still unacceptable for a conductor to cross the line from gruff to personal attacks.

Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by Grombobulous on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @04:14PM (#48752518)
I find the debates about his toxicity to be essentially pointless, especially since he's not in an employer employee relationship with the people he works with.

Nobody has to work with him, and you chose not to. You don't contribute your kernel patches because you don't like the guy. And that's fine, great actually.

The kernel wouldn't exist without him. It's essentially his project. Obviously, the contributions of others are vital to it as well, but, I dunno, doesn't he get to be dictator of his own project? Everyone is free to fork the kernel and stop dealing with him. (The fact that forks haven't taken over in popularity like they have for so many other open source/community projects with "dictator maintainer is an asshole" problems indicates to me that maybe he's not the biggest conceivable jerk in the universe. If NeoForge can escape Lexmanos, the Linux kernal can escape Linus Torvalds)

And it's not like the people he's being a jerk to are people he has an employer power dynamic over.

If my boss is a jerk to me, yeah, that sucks, because if I get fired my family doesn't eat.

Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by Grombobulous on Thursday July 02, 2026 @07:52AM (#48759982)
I had a typo, “the people he’s being a jerk to aren’t peope he has an employee power dynamic over”
Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by sergeykish on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @02:38PM (#48751354)
Culture that gave world "microagression", "harasment", cancel culture and now numeric "hate". "Not toxic".

> Nobody wants to be treated how Torvalds treated people.

Exactly, nobody wants but so many can't stop until treated.

> Stop this "we can break stuff" crap. Who maintains udev? Regressions are not acceptable. I'm not going to change the kernel because udev broke, f*ck it. Seriously. More projects need to realize that regressions are totally and utterly unacceptable. ... That just encourages those package maintainers to be shit maintainers. ... And stop blaming the kernel for user space breakage!...

Hate 0.832673044602

For common sense.

Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by teo_zero on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @04:28PM (#48752672)
> What a ridiculous comment

I wonder if starting a comment by despising the parent is just being gruff or it leans on personal attack...

Re:Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report by utlsao on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @05:46PM (#48753554)
You and your entire family at least 5 generations back and all your family's offspring, should be put to death.

The Linux kernel literally affects billions of people. Lots of lives indirectly depend on the Linux kernel. And you want to allocate as little pain as possible to yourself while happily causing pain on billions of people and many innocent and good lives lost. You prioritize 2 hours of pain for you above millions of hours or more of pain for others and many lives lost.

Jump off a tall building. Linus was undeniably infinitely too polite for un-creatures or anti-creatures like you. And you are well aware of it.