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Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by Schiendelman on Monday June 29, 2026 @05:00PM (#48725161)
That is much, much cheaper than nuclear at today's prices.
Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by loeg on Monday June 29, 2026 @05:25PM (#48725475)
Up to how many hours of battery capacity?
Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by Schiendelman on Monday June 29, 2026 @06:51PM (#48726379)
I'm not sure I understand the question. It's always cheaper.
Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by womble2 on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @09:14AM (#48732322)
No it isn't. Storage capacity for energy is expensive, if you want to have a grid that is largely dependent on intermittent sources and still have a stable grid providing power at all times you need large amounts of storage as well as generating capacity.

For example if nuclear costs 1bn for a GW and solar+wind costs 0.6bn but you need to also install 0.5bn of storage to make the grid reliable to the safety margin you deem acceptable then it is no longer a cheaper system.

Amount of storage needed scales up rapidly as you get towards an grid with entirely intermittent generation.

Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by Schiendelman on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @07:29AM (#48745069)
It's more like 1 billion per GW versus 300 million per GW including the batteries. I'm sorry, it's just not close.
Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by LorenPechtel on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @02:45PM (#48737415)
What are you smoking??

Storage is more expensive than generation. Always.

We see some storage on the grid because storage is fast. Batteries can respond to load changes a lot faster than anything else. Demand goes up, the batteries are drawn down while cheaper generators are spun up. A few places use pumped hydro for the same purpose, but that's very situational.

Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by Schiendelman on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @07:28AM (#48745067)
I'm just smoking the math, man. LCOE for renewables plus necessary battery storage to level out those renewables is way cheaper than nuclear. If you don't believe me, go find some comparisons.
Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by LorenPechtel on Tuesday June 30, 2026 @02:39PM (#48737326)
Nuclear is expensive because nuclear is defined as expensive.

The problem lies with the standard of As Low As Reasonably Achievable. If you had reasonably priced nuclear power you could add more safety. Thus you have to add more safety. Thus you no longer have reasonably priced nuclear power.

And, when it comes to power it's a totally wrong standard. You should not be looking to minimize individual technology risk, you should be looking to minimize total risk of competing technologies. Making your nuclear plant safer instead drives generation to natural gas (~10x as dangerous as nuclear, plus climate effects) and oil (~10x as dangerous as natural gas, even more climate effects.) Or even coal (~10x as dangerous as oil, even more climate effects plus nasty stuff going up the stack--including emitting more radiation than would be tolerated for a nuclear plant.)

Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by Schiendelman on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @07:32AM (#48745086)
If I'm making a decision about what generation capacity to build next, I can't change the definitions, and renewables are already the cheapest option. The only reason you're seeing data centers get natural gas is because they are mobile units that don't require permitting. That's not an economic problem, it's a regulatory problem, but it's a pretty easy one to fix in comparison to the national level nuclear regulatory problem in basically every developed country.
Re:The Radiation Exposure Lie by LorenPechtel on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @10:34AM (#48747511)
Just because you can't change the definitions doesn't mean society can't. As a company that wants some power you are right, natural gas is the cheapest.