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Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by chii on Monday June 29, 2026 @12:51AM (#48714940)
Stupid things like brexit was put to a vote, but really important things such as age verification and mass surveillance are never put to any vote.
Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by godwinson__4-8 on Monday June 29, 2026 @01:10AM (#48715053)
Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by shevy-java on Monday June 29, 2026 @01:31AM (#48715195)
But Brexit was a vote, by the people. Yes, the pro-leave campaign lied to no ends, but people still made a choice on their own and the majority for leave was quite slim.

This is very different to age sniffing here. Age sniffing is not being queried via public votum - lobbyists push it through without any resistance. It's amazing how this works.

Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by graemep on Monday June 29, 2026 @06:58AM (#48717574)
The pro-remain campaign lied too and I would argue a great deal more. Take a look at the predictions of the immediate effect of Brexit vote (for 1017-18) on page 9 of the Treasury report: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a80772140f0b...

This whole argument is why we do not have more direct democracy. The people in power and people who benefit from the status quo do not want the hoi polloi taking the "wrong" decisions. We might end up nationalising things or taxing big business effectively or all sorts of terrible things. Better to just give people the illusion of choice by letting them choose between two "neo-liberal" parties.

Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by graemep on Monday June 29, 2026 @11:58AM (#48720975)
That should read for 2017-18
Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by teiferer on Monday June 29, 2026 @05:11AM (#48716747)
In what way was Brexit a stupid thing? It was an extemely important decision, directly affecting everybody's life. If asking people about anything then isn't that what it should be? You might not like the outcome (I don't) but I consider the question of Brexit important.
Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by ben_w on Monday June 29, 2026 @06:04AM (#48717160)
Analogy:

Cancer surgery is an extremely important decision, directly affecting many people's lives.

What happened with Brexit was a analogous a bunch of salesmen on TV saying "that mysterious ache you have, don't listen to doctors who say it's fine, call our surgical team today! It's cancer! We can fix this quickly and you'll be back to your old self within a week!" for two decades, then the country agreeing, going to surgery, and waking up to find they'd had half their liver removed, the post-surgical biopsy results said it was fine and not cancerous at all, it took 6 months to recover and they could never drink alcohol again. And the ache was still there.

If it had been an honest "we know it will cost X, we are willing to spend this because otherwise what is the point of money", that would have been totally fair.

Instead, problems that weren't caused by the EU were blamed on it for decades, while the benefits of membership were treated as the natural state of the world to the extent that talk of losing them was equated with "being punished".

Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by epihelix on Monday June 29, 2026 @05:59AM (#48717132)
Should we also have a referendum on reducing the tax rate to zero? It would also be an extremely important decision, directly affecting everybody's life. If asking people about anything, then isn't that what it should be?

Not all referenda that might win a "yes" vote are sensible to propose.

Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by teiferer on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @08:03AM (#48745356)
If you ask me personally, then no, we don't need to have such a vote.

But if the point is that country wide referendums should only be held for important questions but then exclude Brexit because "it's stupid" then that's an inconsistent argument. Surely the question whether the UK should leave the EU was a very important decision to make. That the vote went a certain way which you don't like does not make it less important of a decision.

Unless the actual point is "referendums should only be held for questions that are important and will go the way I like". You can have that opinion but then please be honest about it instead of disguising it with supposedly neutral musings about democracy. (Hint: Democracy does not mean that only what you want will happen.)

Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by chii on Thursday July 02, 2026 @03:43AM (#48757911)
for such a wide ranging effects, brexit's vote had only 2% margin of error, with 48% against.

The people's stupidity is why "important" questions like that should not be put to a vote; they can't be expected to understand the entirety of the outcome and consequences. As the other comment has posted: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by nextaccountic on Monday June 29, 2026 @07:10AM (#48717666)
It was put to vote for stupid reasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote_in_favour_o...

> The referendum was originally conceived by David Cameron as a means to defeat the anti-EU faction within his own party by having it fail.

After that, another issue is that the leave campaign was heavily based on lies and misleading the British voters.

Couple that with a extreme form of policy lock-in / hysteresis: you need just to form a small margin in a majority at a single point of time. After that point of time, the popular opinion doesn't matter anymore because getting back to EU isn't as easy as leaving. So the misinformation campaign need to work just once. By the time voters realize what happened, it's too late.

This situation is a critical failure of democracy. Not just direct democracy, representative democracy can't work in a post-truth world either.

Re:Age verification is just a precursor to automated attribu... by teiferer on Wednesday July 01, 2026 @11:00AM (#48747961)
> representative democracy can't work in a post-truth world either.

Truthful public debate is a central ingredient to democracy. If you don't have that then you are severely lacking in democratic qualities.

In other words, your statement is akin to saying "democracy can't work in an undemocratic environment", which is obvious.

If anything then the Brexit vote shows that democracy is lacking in the UK. Not having asked the people would not have made that better though.