More importantly we have decades of irrefutable evidence that diet and exercise alone are about as effective as abstinence only sex education. It's great there are people that can just decide to eat less, but it's foolish to assume that can work for everyone.

It's odd how people act as tho there's a "moral argument" against using a tool to help reach the goal. It feels a lot like the argument that "morals are from religion", as if you need god to know that murder isn't really a productive activity (unless you work in a slaughterhouse).

I wish American money could go back to having "mind your business" printed on it instead of "in god we trust", it was a huge loss to all of us when that garbage was passed. It was also a huge loss when everyone just decided to go along with saying "taxpayer money" instead of saying "public funds/money", but slippery psychological slopes are everywhere.

> It's great there are people that can just decide to eat less, but it's foolish to assume that can work for everyone.

More importantly: I don’t want to eat less. I want to eat more. There is so much amazing food.

> You can’t really exercise enough to offset the food you can eat in a day, even if you somehow were able to dedicate all your time to exercising you would still have to limit your food intake.

People racing the Tour Divide, a 2700 mile solo unsupported bikepacking race through the Rocky Mountains, lose weight when riding their bikes 18 hours a day for 2-3+ weeks straight. They describe being unable to choke down enough food even though what they are eating is very calorie dense. Hotdogs, burritos, burgers, pizza, a pound of gummies every day, chocolate milk and ice cream when resupplying, McDonalds where they fill their hydration bladders with PowerAde, anything they can get their hands on quickly when they arrive at a small mountain town which frequently has nothing more than a gas station.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tourdivide/posts/24754803527...

Obviously not a practical solution as you say but they do exercise enough to offset the food when eating as much as they can.

Great? When I worked landscaping I would plow through 2-3 double quarter pounder meals every lunch break. And then a dominos pizza or three when I got home for dinner. Plus a gallon or two of full sugar soda throughout the day, and snacks.

It’s not practical in the least for the average office worker to outrun the fork. It’s just silly advice and pointless to even bring up. When it takes an hour or more of treadmill work to cancel a single donut you don’t need to think about it any longer than that.

You exercise for health. Not to lose weight. Until you are at the margins and can consistently create an extra 100-200 calorie deficit by walking for an hour every evening or whatever.

My three gym days a week don’t do much for the scale. Those are for physical and mental health. The weight part is in the kitchen.

You can pick better activities for exercise. You don't have to run on a treadmill

> You can’t really exercise enough to offset the food you can eat in a day

This is not true. There are plenty of activities that a healthy, enthusiastic person can do for quite a few hours per day that burn calories rapidly, and it takes serious effort to eat enough to offset the calorie usage. Think distance running, skiing, cycling, rowing, etc.

Sometimes people go to extreme technological measures to optimize their ability to consume calories (see recent record-setting marathon results). Sometimes people rely on extremely calorie-dense foods (butter, nuts, etc) so they can carry meals with them that are not wildly calorie-deficient for their long, unsupported travels.

When people are burning calories at this rate, they are probably not doing it for exercise — they’re probably either doing it because it’s fun or it’s part of an adventure.

I’m suspect that, if someone is overweight but in good enough shape to cross-country ski for six hours a day, then even if their body tends toward telling them to eat too much, they could probably lose weight by doing so for many days in a row.

I had the fastest weight loss at my life at a time when I was having something like a manic episode, had a psychogenic fever, was doing two hours a day of cardio plus crazy numbers of weightlifting sets three times a week and on a basically liquid diet because I was having trouble with my jaw.

Most people though will just eat more when they exercise, though dieticians say that more muscle is good for your metabolism and almost everybody would benefit from getting in some cardio and weights (i'm one of the rare exceptions who's been told to moderate my exercise, but I am the kind of person who can't understand how other people can make it through the day without going to the gym.)

People at the extreme end can struggle to eat enough food to maintain body condition, like I had a friend in college who trained for ultramarathons and you couldn't pinch anything on him even though he was eating all the time. Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps was a representative for the blockbuster heartburn medication Prilosec because he was burning 10,000 calories a day on his side!