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Re:Marc Andreessen: Not every startup should be a Lean Start... by gruseom on Tuesday December 04, 2012 @03:28AM (#4870034)
Proponents of the Lean Startup Theory like to cite startups of the past as successes of their theory. That strikes me as dubious. For the theory to be sound it must have predictive value. Where are the great companies that have been built by people consciously taking the theory and applying it? It seems that there aren't any. If there were, advocates wouldn't need this practice of retroactive baptism.

It doesn't follow that the theory is wrong, but there is a large gap between results attributable to it and the grandiose claims being made. Wouldn't the true scientific attitude be to hold off claiming to have a science of startups until significant results have first been produced, then reproduced?

A lot of people badly want this theory to be true. It's easy to see why; it says it is a method to success — not only that, but a quasi-scientific method that has tremendous appeal to the technically minded. But the fact that the desire to believe the theory is so strong is not evidence in its favor; it's reason for doubt.

I'm skeptical of the theory for two reasons. The first is that I keep feeling like I've seen it before, in another risk-ridden field where people badly want a reliable way to get results: the field of corporate software projects. Failure and unpredictability are so common there that people are eager to buy the idea of a repeatable process. Lean Startup Theory seems very much like software process transplanted to startups – so much so, in fact, that a more accurate name for it might be Startup Process. I could be wrong about this, but the sense of deja vu is striking.

If that's a correct analysis, it's possible to describe what it would look like. One would expect to see social clubs of believers who share techniques and inspiring stories about how their process is working. One would expect not to see any decisive outcomes, though people will expend great energy interpreting all outcomes as evidence for their process. One would expect to see gurus and consultants selling the answers that people are so eager for, whether they work or not. (In some cases it's better when they don't work, since one can then sell them repeatedly.) One would expect the gurus and consultants not to have any significant track record of success in the areas that they're teaching, since that's not actually what they're good at. And one would expect many people's desire to believe the theory to be strong enough for them to overlook that anomaly.

The other reason I'm skeptical is that, if the theory is true, it would amount to a science of history. There's nothing intrinsically different between startups and historical undertakings; that's all the word "enterprise" means, after all. Most don't lead anywhere, while a few lead somewhere important. An empirical technique to create the important ones would amount to an empirical technique to create history. That seems unlikely.

Re:Marc Andreessen: Not every startup should be a Lean Start... by michaelt on Tuesday December 04, 2012 @04:56AM (#4870183)
In college I took a class in engineering business management. Many of the things I learned in that class made a lot of sense, so I certainly wouldn't deride the teaching of how business works in general.

It seemed to me that every management technique (lean, kanban, kaizen, six sigma, prince2) came with a high profile success story attributed to it. That's reasonable enough. But every time a management technique also had a high profile failure story at a second company, it was never attributed to a failing of the system; it was that the second company hadn't believed in it hard enough. If only they'd completely gone for broke, throwing caution to the wind, it would have worked!

The bias towards only seeing the good in these techniques made it jolly difficult to choose between them when they offered contradictory advice.

Re:Marc Andreessen: Not every startup should be a Lean Start... by jt2190 on Tuesday December 04, 2012 @08:55AM (#4870881)

  > For the [Lean Startup] theory to be sound it must 
  > have predictive value
When did the Lean Startup method become the Guaranteed Startup Success method? My understanding is that Lean methods encourage startups to build short feedback loops to the things they're trying to accomplish: Capturing market, building the product, etc. The short feedback loops let the company know quickly whether their efforts are showing signs of success, and whether they should keep at it, or change their strategy. This is one of the points that Andressen is critical of, as well: Know when you're attacking a difficult problem and you won't get quick feedback.
Re:Marc Andreessen: Not every startup should be a Lean Start... by gruseom on Saturday December 08, 2012 @02:55AM (#4891087)
I'd rather hear an answer to the main point: if the theory is so good, where are the great companies that have been created by people consciously applying it? (Of course, if it's just about listening to feedback, that's something that anybody competent would do, and hardly a new approach to building startups.)
Re:Marc Andreessen: Not every startup should be a Lean Start... by sadlyNess on Tuesday December 04, 2012 @09:17AM (#4870985)
> Know when you're attacking a difficult problem and you won't get quick feedback.

Good TL;DR .