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Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by meaty on Monday December 03, 2012 @03:40AM (#4864528)
Well they pissed off half the users with amazon so I'm not that sure it's true.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by adrianhoward on Monday December 03, 2012 @03:58AM (#4864569)
Well they pissed off half the users with amazon so I'm not that sure it's true.

Is that really true? Sure - it annoyed a heck of a lot of folk in the Hn community - and similar tech-focused arenas.

Non techie folk I've seen using 12.10 either a) Don't notice, b) don't care or c) like it.

Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by shrikant on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:09AM (#4864591)
Or a significant portion of the annoyed techie folk did a sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping and moved on with their lives...
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by drivebyacct2 on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:18AM (#4864615)
Wait, you mean it's easier to remove a package than knee-jerk leave distros? Sometimes I wonder if the /r/linux-types realize that they're no better than the kids in the Halo forums screaming that they and their friends are going to quit if someone doesn't fix their issue.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by jiggy2011 on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:37AM (#4864656)
The Amazon thing set a bad precedent. One of the reasons people like Linux is because it doesn't come bundled with that sort of crap in the same way Windows PCs and Android phones often do.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by adrianhoward on Monday December 03, 2012 @05:20AM (#4864783)
The difference is that - for a chunk of people - this functionality isn't crap. It's actually useful.

It's out of the way for people who don't care. It's there for people who do. I've seen folk go "that's so cool" when the amazon stuff came up.

This stuff is much closer to the adds folk get in Google search. It's often relevant to what they're doing at the time.

Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by jiggy2011 on Monday December 03, 2012 @05:35AM (#4864822)
Don't really agree, at least not based on my experience with it.

The key difference being, with google I am specifically searching the "world wide web" and may type something that suggests an interest in making a purchase. Companies can bid against each other to decide the value of these searches.

When using unity dash, I am basically searching for programs that are installed on my computer. Or occasionally for a file. Doing a primitive text match against "thunderbird" with an online catalog is unlikely to help.

Once you are in this mindset you start to think "why should amazon get special treatment?" and you say "hey, we should search ebay too and what about netflix and pornhub?" and suddenly you have an entire screen full of crap and are leaking information everywhere.

Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by adrianhoward on Monday December 03, 2012 @06:10AM (#4864904)
Don't really agree, at least not based on my experience with it.

This is why I sad "a chunk of people" not "everybody". I don't like it either. If and when 12.10 works on my laptop I'll kill it straight away.

My partner, however, likes it. She's often searching for book refs and amazon stuff. This makes her life easier and better.

Just because a group of people don't like something doesn't necessarily make it a bad UX. The mantra of everybody in the UX profession is that "you are not the user". My likes and dislikes do not matter if I am not the target market.

Does it matter if N techies hate something if N x 100 in some other larger group love it to bits?

Once you are in this mindset you start to think "why should amazon get special treatment?" and you say "hey, we should search ebay too and what about netflix and pornhub?" and suddenly you have an entire screen full of crap and are leaking information everywhere.

If and when that does happen - that'll be bad.

Hasn't happened so far with Google.

I don't see the Ubuntu folk being dumb enough to make that happen on their platform.

Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by jiggy2011 on Monday December 03, 2012 @08:25AM (#4865256)
I thought that this was what lenses was supposed to fix? Being able to switch between a variety of different searches.

12.10 seems to take the opinion that every search you do should search everything by default, not even google does that.

If they are going to follow this model with Amazon, there isn't really any reason to believe they won't do it for anyone who offers them a sweet affiliate deal.

Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by adrianhoward on Monday December 03, 2012 @08:36AM (#4865280)
I would personally think that the USP that they have on the Ubuntu desktop is something that non-technical folk quite like to use. From what I've seen they've done that very well. From what you can see on their design approach from the outside I don't think they'll mess that up.

Time will tell.

Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by jiggy2011 on Monday December 03, 2012 @12:55PM (#4866723)
What unity desperately needs is better NLP. If I type something and it can infer that it's probably a book title then show me books, probably a film title then bring up IMDB but if I'm typing "xterm" I really only want xterm.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by aaronbrethorst on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:33AM (#4864644)
13 year old Halo players eventually grow up to be 21 year old Ubuntu users. ;)

As for me, I'm a 30 year old Ubuntu user (on the server) who finished the Halo 4 campaign yesterday.

Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by meaty on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:52AM (#4864701)
And indeed in my case grow up to be 40 year old Debian users when they get fed up with Canonical's dubious decision making.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by ekianjo on Monday December 03, 2012 @03:43AM (#4864537)
I am more pissed of by the regressions in compatibility in 12.10 than the Amazon thingy that could be turned off in 3 seconds.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by vidarh on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:49AM (#4864694)
If you want to avoid regressions, don't upgrade until they've had a few cycles of fixes. Especially for .10 releases. Ubuntu ships early and breaks fast, and then slowly fixes the breakage - if you don't like that you'l want to let others be the guinea pigs first.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by w1ntermute on Monday December 03, 2012 @03:49AM (#4864552)
Come to Xubuntu, 12.10 works perfectly.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by ekianjo on Monday December 03, 2012 @03:52AM (#4864559)
Yeah, that is what I heard. Which makes me wonder what went wrong in the main distribution.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by zem on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:20AM (#4864620)
possibly trying to move in too many directions at once. xubuntu used a relatively stabler and better-shaken-out desktop, which meant one fewer moving piece to introduce incompatibilities.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by w1ntermute on Monday December 03, 2012 @12:25PM (#4866544)
They decided to copy Apple and have an "innovative GUI". Surprise, surprise, it turned out shitty, just like OS X.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by vidarh on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:46AM (#4864684)
I'd expect the number of pissed off users to be more in the 0.1% range if we're going to throw around unsubstantiated numbers.
Re:The future of Ubuntu revealed by breakyerself on Monday December 03, 2012 @04:50AM (#4864697)
It doesn't bother me at all. People do actual work to make the os. They need to pay those people. Since I'm not paying them and they're a for profit company I'm not the least bit surprised or bothered.