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Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by ffsm8 on Sunday June 21, 2026 @06:01AM (#48617354)
What's mind-blowing to me is that people see the "you're right to push back" as anything besides hallucination / self affirmation

Dude, the fucking model is great for sure, but there is nothing behind the illusion. It doesn't know if something is right or wrong - simpler or harder to reason about etc

It's just generating text, in a coherent manner while following rhetoric processes as a solid attempt at logical thinking

Why is that so hard for people to grok?

Our industry (and society after) is beyond doomed with people seeing these self affirmations as anything like "insightful" validation.

Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by MarsIronPI on Sunday June 21, 2026 @07:53AM (#48618106)
Looking on the bright side, where there's AI-generated muck, there will be brass for humans willing to clean it up.
Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by Obscurity4340 on Sunday June 21, 2026 @07:51AM (#48618093)
How does it correct itself then? I often will push back without giving it the way out and it often does find it
Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by MarsIronPI on Sunday June 21, 2026 @07:53AM (#48618112)
By generating plausible-sounding corrections.
Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by ffsm8 on Sunday June 21, 2026 @11:28AM (#48619771)
If you're fantasy was real, then how can you also have it correct itself from a passable solution to a dumbsterfire?

That fundamentally wouldn't happen if it wasn't just an illusion

Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by Obscurity4340 on Sunday June 21, 2026 @02:09PM (#48621137)
The coding aspect is a great example of why I am skeptical of the claim they cant reason (in its own way).

Something that can write a correct code snippet or even larger program that accepts the correct input and provides the correct output and otherwise is consistent with the given spec is doing something substantially more than just autocomplete.

Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by ffsm8 on Sunday June 21, 2026 @02:33PM (#48621364)
I did say

> It's just generating text, in a coherent manner while following rhetoric processes as a solid attempt at logical thinking

So yeah, I do agree that they can make a very reasonable amount of reasoning. As a matter of fact, they reason about things better then an average Joe off the street ime.

That's entirely unrelated to what I said though, I think you misinterpreted/misunderstood what I wrote earlier.

They can make solid attempts at reasoning, its just not grounded in reality. It just applies these rhetoric processes to the current text - but it doesn't understand wherever it's actually correctly reasoned. Hence the answer "you're right to push back on this" is just the model being a sycophant. The sentence does not mean that anything of value has been communicated in either direction, and thinking that it has means the person in question is suffering from ai psychosis

Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by GroksBarnacles on Sunday June 21, 2026 @01:53PM (#48620994)
Are you questioning how LLMs work? It's not a mystery up for debate, it's an open, well known system, you can go learn it for yourself and see.
Re:When I reject AI code even if it works by endofreach on Sunday June 21, 2026 @07:21AM (#48617886)
We'll see.