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Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by kybernetikos on Saturday December 01, 2012 @05:01PM (#4859156)
> Some people are honest about it and say "I just don't want to pay for it". But most people I hear justifying piracy feel entitled to it and don't think there's anything wrong.

And what is dishonest about that?

When a builder builds a house he gets paid for his work. If he wants more money, he has to do more building. He can't just sit back and take a payment every time someone enters that building for the rest of his life.

Nurses, doctors, lawyers, shopkeepers, mechanics, service staff, chefs, teachers all have the same deal. You can't multiply your work by the people who benefit from it forever (maybe everyone who likes the person whose life you saved?) and get paid by each one.

Now to me, that seems sane and normal. You want more money, you do more work. Getting the government to pass special laws allowing you to extract rent from your creative endevour for every person who experiences it going into the future is what seems dishonest to me.

Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by reinhardt on Saturday December 01, 2012 @07:41PM (#4859587)
"When a builder builds a house he gets paid for his work. If he wants more money, he has to do more building. He can't just sit back and take a payment every time someone enters that building for the rest of his life."

A builder:

  - is hired by a single client
  - to build a house for many months
  - and is compensated throughout the engagement with an hourly/daily/monthly wage or salary, 
    which is pretty much guaranteed (unless being let off for typically external reasons).
An author/actor/game developer:

  - also takes many months to complete a book/movie/game but
  - he is not hired by any single client
  - his income is directly related to the reception of the end product by the audience.
I'd be interested to know how do you think should the creative professional be compensated if not by the actual people who benefit from it.
Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by vidarh on Saturday December 01, 2012 @08:37PM (#4859730)
But this distinction is historically new. It came about because of copyright. There's no inherent difference.

Before that, authors/actors/composers etc. were compensated either through commissions for the creation of the work (with the expectation that it might be copied by others) or for performances of the works, or by benefactors.

Or, as the vast majority of authors today, who expend the effort to create works without getting their work published for profit (or at all), they were often not compensated for their work at all. In fact, like with vanity publishing today, any number of authors would have encountered substantial expensive in getting their own works spread, with no hope of recouping those expenses.

Modern copyright did not start until the Statue of Anne in 1710, and did not extend to the majority of the world until much later.

Whether or not returning to that state is desirable or not is certainly open to debate, but history does give us plenty of examples of possible ways of doing so.

Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by demetrius on Saturday December 01, 2012 @08:24PM (#4859703)
I believe they should’t really be compensated, because the demand for new games, films and books is created arificially, through advertisement. In fact, the older games are not less fun to play, they’re just not fashionable anymore; old films are not less fun to watch; old books are not less fun to read.

We need new software, because: a) old software is unavailable anymore (due to copyright), b) everyone else uses the new one (due to advertising), so we need it for interoperation, c) old software doesn’t recieve bug fixes, and copyright prevents people from disassembling and modifying software themselves (luckily some countries like Belarus and Russia have better laws and allow this, but previous points still apply).

If the companies stopped producing new software because of lack of money, it wouldn’t stop innovations — if something is really useful, people will still impement it at least because it’s useful for themselves.

If we were allowed to copy information freely, the old software would suffice for most tasks (with occasional bugfixes that could be made by users themselves).

Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by cremnob on Saturday December 01, 2012 @05:17PM (#4859210)
If a builder wants to take a payment every time you enter the building he is free to do so, thinking otherwise is highly presumptuous. Whether that business model will be viable in the market will be left for him to see (hotel managers operate exactly like this except they don't get paid for entering their building but for getting a room for the night).

What's dishonest about it? The mental gymnastics to rationalize their actions when it's really about "I don't have to pay for this and there are no consequences if I don't so I'm not going to".

Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by kybernetikos on Saturday December 01, 2012 @05:58PM (#4859329)
You seem to think it's impossible for people to genuinely believe that copying is not theft. You're wrong. There are a lot of people who genuinely believe that sharing is not theft, and far from being something that we should persecute, is something that makes humanity richer and the world a better place, and many of those people do not believe it simply in order to feel better about copying stuff, since they don't actually 'pirate' copyrighted things.
Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by cremnob on Saturday December 01, 2012 @06:53PM (#4859480)
I don't think you've read my posts because I KNOW people think pirating isn't wrong. And they go through a variety of mental hoops to rationalize why it isn't. They're wrong. And nothing you've said defends their position, all you've said is that they have it.
Re:Editorial: "How piracy changed my life" by kybernetikos on Saturday December 01, 2012 @08:39PM (#4859735)
That's nearly what I've been saying in this thread.

What I've been saying is that for many people it is not a rationalization. They genuinely believe, because of arguments from history and logic that sharing isn't wrong. They aren't jumping through mental hoops, this is their honest belief after considering the alternatives and arguments.

Now that isn't to say that there aren't some, maybe many people for whom it is purely rationalization, but your posts seem to entirely ignore any other possibility.