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Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by trumpdong on Saturday June 06, 2026 @07:35AM (#48423908)
The EU has no sovereignty, countries (like Hungary and Germany) can openly disobey it and the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by cassianoleal on Saturday June 06, 2026 @08:15AM (#48424244)
> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU

As opposed to what? Armed invasion?

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by trumpdong on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:46AM (#48425100)
Yes. The EU has no army, no legal sovereignty within each country, etc. It's an alliance of countries NOT a single federal government. The individual countries remain in charge of themselves and the alliance is supposed to be structured in a way that only paases things the countries actually want.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by cassianoleal on Saturday June 06, 2026 @10:29AM (#48425487)
So you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by lukan on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:48PM (#48426702)
Why would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by cassianoleal on Saturday June 06, 2026 @06:56PM (#48429884)
Let's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657

I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge.

2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908

trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states, and saying that the worst which could happen to one of them is to be kicked out of the EU.

3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244

Slightly shocked by the idea that the EU should be doing something worse than expelling a member for not following the Union's rules, I use a _reductio ad absurdum_ and ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them.

4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100

To my shock, trumpdong literally says "yes".

5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487

I, due to the shock described above, decide to question again in more words if that's actually what they mean.

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Hopefully that responds your question. I see no straw man, but if you still do, please present it.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by lukan on Sunday June 07, 2026 @06:28AM (#48433487)
You did not ask that:

"ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them."

You asked this:

"> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU

As opposed to what? Armed invasion?"

Where trumpdong reploed with a affirmative "yes". So the worst they can do is kick someone out. No one demanded the EU should do armed invasion.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by cassianoleal on Sunday June 07, 2026 @07:30AM (#48433843)
They complained kicking out the worst. I suggested one possible worse possibility (again, in a reductio ad absurdum rhetoric), trying to understand what they thought should be done more than "just kicking them out". They agreed with it.

I don't know why you're taking their pain.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by lukan on Sunday June 07, 2026 @02:32PM (#48437398)
You seem to enjoy either pedantery to feel right, or genuinly missunderstood the conversation. And more pain I am not taking here.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by cassianoleal on Sunday June 07, 2026 @03:40PM (#48437839)
I misunderstood the conversation I was having? Interesting.
Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by microtonal on Saturday June 06, 2026 @09:23AM (#48424864)
kick them out of the EU

AFAIK, not even that. This topic came up in relation to Hungary (before Orban was gone). What I understood from the discussion is that a country can only be punished by not giving them EU funds, etc.

Re:GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS by lukan on Saturday June 06, 2026 @12:47PM (#48426692)
Kicking out is possible, but not established and everyone happy that Orban is gone for now and no immediate need to find out how that process works in reality.