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Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by WhiteDawn on Friday June 05, 2026 @02:50PM (#48416638)
Once someone generates a MTP layer for 26B A4B 4 QAT I'll be singing from the hills with my 5 year old GPU.
Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by dist-epoch on Friday June 05, 2026 @03:00PM (#48416755)
Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by dofm on Friday June 05, 2026 @03:14PM (#48416911)
This is safetensors. Is there any way to run these on a Mac paired with the MLX QAT?

(Pardon my ignorance; this stuff moves so fast)

Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by thangalin on Friday June 05, 2026 @06:06PM (#48418970)
Did you see this?

https://point.free/blog/gemma-4-on-a-2016-xeon/

Xeon, but could be useful for MTP on Mac.

Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by dofm on Friday June 05, 2026 @06:15PM (#48419044)
I hadn't seen this, thanks.

I do have the Qwen 3.6 (35B) MTP implementation running (in LM Studio; it doesn't need a separate drafter), along with non-MTP Gemma 4 26B, and I can see that Unsloth Studio can run the new QAT, but I can't see how you can run the assistant/drafter. Yet.

It's just a constantly changing landscape. Don't get me wrong, it's fascinating and for various reasons I am pleased I can keep up even slightly, but eeeehhh :-)

Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by dofm on Monday June 08, 2026 @01:17AM (#48441560)
To briefly follow up, as of yesterday llama.cpp can do Gemma 4's MTP, so I have this working at least initially — details here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48441450

Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by int_19h on Friday June 05, 2026 @07:31PM (#48419731)
Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by dofm on Saturday June 06, 2026 @02:01AM (#48421856)
Yeah — that is the base QAT model, and there are safetensors weights for the QAT version of the MTP drafter, but there are no MLX/GGUF versions. I think the answer is a combination of:

1) Gemma 4 MTP is too fresh for off-the-shelf software to use anyway

2) "you can convert them yourself" which is fine, obvs

Re:Gemma 4 QAT models: Optimizing compression for mobile and... by pfheatwole on Friday June 05, 2026 @07:05PM (#48419488)
Models:

- Safetensors: https://huggingface.co/google/gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-qat-q4_0-un...

- GGUF: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-GGUF/tree/...

Note the README in the Unsloth list of files: llama.cpp is working on a PR to support the gemma4 drafters: https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/23398. Also note the PR submitter didn't experience much speedup with 26B (seems typical that MoE models don't generally benefit from MTP).