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Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by SilverElfin on Monday June 01, 2026 @11:36AM (#48358283)
Are you being sarcastic? Iran is ruled by a an authoritarian theocratic regime that took over through violence and has been ruling over their citizens through violence. Iran is also the biggest backer of terrorists in the Middle East, and has supported Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and many others. It’s Iran’s ruling power that has been unchecked for too long.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by unshavedyak on Monday June 01, 2026 @11:40AM (#48358346)
Are they mutually exclusive?
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by b345 on Monday June 01, 2026 @11:55AM (#48358562)
Most people view Israel and the US as the terrorists and Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis as the revolutionaries.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by Ancapistani on Monday June 01, 2026 @12:26PM (#48359023)
"Most people", meaning "most people in your social circles" presumably - because that's certainly not the case where I am, and I'd like to see some polling data before considering that it's the case globally. I seriously doubt it.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by b345 on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @01:47AM (#48366523)
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by Ancapistani on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @02:17AM (#48366701)
None of those even contain the string “terror”.
Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by pjc50 on Monday June 01, 2026 @11:51AM (#48358518)
"He's out of line, but he's right": while Iran are an extremely bad actor, before Trump the situation was stable. And the start of conventional hostilities was clearly from the US+Israel side.

(open question as to how much the October 2023 attack is the fault of Iran, specifically?)

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by Izkata on Monday June 01, 2026 @12:28PM (#48359060)
There were negotiations before it all started and people seem to have missed or forgotten the claim that Iran mentioned having material to create 11 nukes during this. When this first came out all the news reported there was no evidence Iran had that, but now their refined uranium isn't really in question.

Also during this one of their missiles hit a target 4000 kilometers away, much further than they were claiming they had. That's far enough to hit Europe if it had gone in the other direction.

To me it's looking like the stability was an illusion.

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by analognoise on Monday June 01, 2026 @02:34PM (#48360800)
It was also reported that all US intelligence agencies denied that Iran was making a nuke.

It was also reported that during negotiations before this war, Iran had offered 100% of all nuclear material to be surrendered to the USA, to prevent a war.

Also, Marco Rubio said directly that Israel was going to strike anyway, and that we had to respond. He later “clarified” that it was. 100% Trumps call.

So - if the stability was an illusion, it’s because Trump and Israel are unstable, right?

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by mring33621 on Monday June 01, 2026 @03:04PM (#48361171)
I'm not sure 'Illusion' is the right word, and it should probably read "Trump and Israel and Iran" are unstable.

But, yes

Re:Iran stops negotiations with U.S., vows to 'completely' b... by mrguyorama on Monday June 01, 2026 @05:52PM (#48363156)
Israel was successfully defanging Iran's terror programs. That's in fact the entire reason this war exists. It was Israel's plan. This is all their retaliation for Oct 7th.

So why the hell are we there? We didn't build a coalition. We didn't really justify our involvement. Trump and Trump supporters insisted on isolationism, pulling back from being the world police, ignoring even heinous invasions like Ukraine to save a few pennies, but suddenly Iran has insulted us through its existence for far too long?

Bullshit.

Keep in mind, Iran was likely to evolve in some way in the next few decades as a result of their impending water crisis. Waiting for a better opportunity would have been the smart choice.