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Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by chiply on Monday June 01, 2026 @03:49AM (#48353779)
Ah, maybe I made my claim unclear. So my claim is that the 3 vertices are the institutions (ETA, Ennet House, the Wheelchair Assassins), not plots. I agree that IJ is kind of plotless, and that to me is what the voids in the Sierpinski Gasket could represent, but this article was more about the two-ways-to-construct-the-triangle thing.

But I like your vertices (family, education, and society).

You're making me think that there's something to the fact that you could 'seed' the Gasket with different vertices as well. Something I learn when re-reading is that you can bring so many interpretations and perspectives to this novel and still come out with an entertaining and valid experience of it. In that respect, I like the idea that you can use different triplets to seed the Gasket!

You're correct that we can't lean fully on the Sierpinski idea. Wallace mentions in his interview that after those edits, the book became more like a 'lopsided' Sierpinski Gasket "it looks basically like a pyramid on acid" (https://www.kcrw.com/shows/bookworm/stories/david-foster-wal...).

Separate from the Gasket thing, but I like your point about the footnotes. I wish people spent more time on those. I've heard commentary on the structure of those. Some folks talk about the 'self referentiality', as text (obviously) references footnotes, and there are even instances of footnotes referencing the main text! I've also heard that the back-and-forth emulates the back-and-forth in a tennis match, although that one seems less interesting.

Edits: fixed spelling mistakes

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by ErroneousBosh on Monday June 01, 2026 @05:24AM (#48354483)
I've tried three times to read it and got a few pages in before giving up on it.

Would it make more sense to just dive into the middle and see what converges out then?

What put me off it is it just kind of reads like a rambling stoner conversation.

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by gglitch on Monday June 01, 2026 @07:49AM (#48355615)
Wallace was a masterful writer of short fiction, and I think IJ is best read as a (very) long series of short pieces with much that interrelates them.

Past a certain point on my first successful read through, maybe ~300 pgs in, I started realizing that, with very few exceptions, the more abstruse, boring, or frustrating the vignette, the more powerfully it ended; and at that point, I couldn’t put it down. So, in my opinion, skipping around would not make it more fulfilling, and would certainly not make it make more sense (and I do think it would be easy to understate how much they do compose together into a functioning plot for the novel). I could only advocate cultivating an appreciation of the individual vignettes themselves as more-or-less complete short stories.

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by jmux on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @01:42PM (#48387133)
I feel like ~300pgs in is where infinite jest reaches critical mass. before that, it felt like a slog.

after i had enough context to start making connections, I couldn’t put it down

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by chiply on Monday June 01, 2026 @05:35AM (#48354572)
"rambling stoner conversation". Lol, you've clearly made it to Ken Erdedy's section, which is literally that. That's a brief passage in the book, and honestly one of the hardest parts to read.

I'd say there's a lot of groundwork laid in the first 60 - 100 pages or so. After that, I honestly don't think it would be harmful to cherry pick interesting passages from the book. You could research interesting sections of the novel and target those for a first pass read through, then maybe later read it sequentially. There aren't really plot spoilers as the book is somewhat plotless.

Even still, I'd recommend the first read through be sequential. My first read through was, but I also skipped around a little bit. My favourite thing about DFW is his writing style. Also might help to whet your appetite for his voice by reading something like "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again", which is a hilarious anecdote and commentary about his trip aboard a cruise liner.

In general, I'd say the best advice is to free yourself from the burden of 'understanding' the novel on your first read through and just enjoy the chaos. Besides, there is so much ambiguity in the novel that, even if you do crystallize some understanding, there's likely many alternative interpretations. That's where the re-reads get really fun.

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by jacobedawson on Monday June 01, 2026 @07:32AM (#48355465)
Erdedy's vignette is one of my favourite passages! The Wardine section was the one that had me second guessing, but after two full read throughs I'll be approaching a third next year with the Sierpinksi Gasket in mind :)
Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by lou1306 on Monday June 01, 2026 @05:42AM (#48354625)
I think the order in which the different elements of the book are introduced is crucial, as it leads to a lot of "aha!" moments.

> What put me off it is it just kind of reads like a rambling stoner conversation.

Yeah well, that book may not be your cup of tea then. The book _is_ rambling, plus a lot of the characters _are_ actual stoners/addicts/recovering addicts. But keep in mind that most of the book is in the third person, not in the first (as the first few pages would make you assume).

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by nephihaha on Monday June 01, 2026 @06:46AM (#48355067)
I like some of David Foster Wallace's writing, but I'm afraid Infinite Jest never did much for me. My copy is copiously annotated and I listened to the audiobook as well, so I doubled up.

I found Ulysses more engaging. I have a copy of Gravity's Rainbow which I will try to get into at some stage.

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by jerkstate on Monday June 01, 2026 @09:25AM (#48356557)
Try the audiobook, although I’m sure purists would consider it cheating. You can zone out and it keeps going and something will pull your attention and you can rewind to get the context.
Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by nephihaha on Monday June 01, 2026 @07:35PM (#48363979)
There are so many footnotes and back notes that the audiobook does it a disservice. However, I have used both to try and get through it.
Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by vessenes on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @12:14AM (#48379824)
I read IJ in a two (three?) day binge shortly after it was published and never returned. Although I will say I really liked it. Since you're an experienced reader, I'll ask a question bugging me since the 1990s -- my intuition post-read was that you would get a totally different plot line out of the novel if you skipped the endnotes. Holding the novel in one's head is a lot to ask, especially of someone who just read straight through very quickly, so I'm curious what the current literary establishment thinks about the end notes, and how the main text interacts with them from a more formal or structural standpoint.

Any thoughts appreciated!

Re:Two Ways to Draw Infinite Jest's Sierpinski Gasket by chiply on Wednesday June 03, 2026 @05:50PM (#48390639)
I don't have anything sophisticated to say about this, but I know the footnotes are critical. There are some plot points in there. They are also an important aspect of the book's structure and the methodology of reading the text. I'd say skipping the end notes would be a disservice to the reader as they would miss so much.

Something I want to do is read the footnotes alone in 1 whack and see what that experience feels like. I haven't done this yet, but I feel like it could illuminate exactly how much of what I latently remember about the novel is located in the footnotes.