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Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by epistasis on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:19PM (#48326264)
I'm usually a Boglehead, with some exceptions, and one exception I'd love is some sort of trade that would eliminate my exposure to SpaceX for the next few years. I'm sure there's some combo of options that would do it.

Probably finding an ESG-focused ETF would do it. ESG basically meant "good governance, we follow laws" which translated into better governed public companies that therefore had better returns, as one would expect. Really weird how it was politicized into something entirely different...

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by Galanwe on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:27PM (#48326374)
> I'd love is some sort of trade that would eliminate my exposure to SpaceX

You can just short SpaceX of an amount equivalent to its share of your SP500 holdings. You will have to pay borrowing costs though, but on something that liquid it will be very small.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by BJones12 on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:35PM (#48326482)
Yeah. For comparison, SpaceX will be maybe half the size of MSFT. MSFT is 7.4% of the SP500 index, so for a $1,000,000 portfolio if you were to short MSFT you'd pay 0.25% on the value of that 7.4%, or $185/year.

So eliminating SpaceX exposure will cost you $100 per million of your SP500 ETF per year, or so.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by parliament32 on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:31PM (#48326429)
Shorts have unlimited risk. Buying a put is risk-defined and probably a better strategy.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by BJones12 on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:36PM (#48326495)
No, because the unlimited risk of shorting is balanced (hedged) by the unlimited upside of holding the same number of shares via the ETF.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by parliament32 on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:00PM (#48326874)
Yeah you're not wrong. I didn't think about it that way because you can't really break something out of an ETF basket, and you also don't control the ETF basket, but if you think those risks are minimal it's probably fine to just compare dollars-to-dollars.

Personally I would still probably go with the long put strategy unless the price difference is exorbitant.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by Galanwe on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:15PM (#48327100)
> also don't control the ETF basket

The ETF is this case follows the index, so there's really no surprise.

> I would still probably go with the long put strategy

Just, don't. There is a world of complexity between a simple short, and entering an option contract with non linear pnl.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by parliament32 on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:38PM (#48327467)
The ETF that seemingly arbitrarily changes its rules? In such a short time frame too? This change is going proposal to implementation in.. what, two weeks total? I don't know about you but I don't keep up on this stuff unless it hits the news like this one.

You are not entering a contract with a long put. You are buying a contract that, if you want, you can just let expire with no obligation to do anything. It's effectively simple insurance (as opposed to a short position, which is an actual liability, which will eat you alive in exceptional circumstances).

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by Galanwe on Friday May 29, 2026 @03:10PM (#48327887)
> You are not entering a contract with a long put

Yes you are, and options are complicated. Actually, the mere fact that you think they are "simple insurance" is enough proof to me that you probably don't understand it enough to safely buy one.

> You are buying a contract

Oh right, you've bought a PUT, now the fun part: you have to manage your position/exposure, could you enlighten me how you do that?

Could you explain me why buying a SpaceX PUT in a high IV regime (e.g. soon after IPO) will have it drop 40% when the IV decreases after 1 month, even though price moved in my favor? It should be simple, it's just a simple insurance product right?

Seriously. Someone, likely not super financially literate, ask a simple question about how to neutralize a stock exposure, and your answer is to advise buying options? Just stop.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by parliament32 on Friday May 29, 2026 @04:44PM (#48328991)
Spicy.

Look, I think you're missing my point a little bit. Let's simplify it to risk, since that's what kicked off this conversation.

Your pension or whatever holds an ETF that (soon) contains some SpaceX shares. You buy a put option on SpaceX direct. What's the absolute worst thing that could happen?

Your pension or whatever holds an ETF that (soon) contains some SpaceX shares. You short sell a SpaceX share. What's the absolute worst thing that could happen?

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by jocaal on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:42PM (#48326602)
You cannot however sell only SpaceX shares from your ETF to cover your short's losses. So due to liquidity issues I wouldn't recommend your strategy.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by Galanwe on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:49PM (#48326711)
What are you talking about? You don't need to touch anything about your ETF. You just have to short a single name on the side.

Also there is no liquidity issue, we're talking SP500 names here, you'll pay GC, which should be around 25bps as the other comment mentions.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by BobaFloutist on Friday May 29, 2026 @03:44PM (#48328243)
They're saying if the stock goes up and you get margin-called on the short, you have to sell index shares, you can't just annihilate the Tesla shares with the anti-Tesla shares and walk away.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by Galanwe on Friday May 29, 2026 @04:31PM (#48328826)
That depends if you trade cash or synthetic.

I think most people trade synthetic, just because it's faster and you don't have to wait for settlements, but maybe that is different if you trade onshore (I am a foreign investor).

Anyway if you are synthetic your margin is most likely shared between shorts and long on the same instrument, so no, you wouldn't be called.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by ls612 on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:04PM (#48326950)
We aren’t talking about penny stocks we are talking about a tech giant. At the scales that any ordinary investor is operating at there will be no liquidity issues with shorting it and if it is in your index fund the short and long positions will directly offset if you size it correctly leading you to have net zero exposure to SpaceX.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by Galanwe on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:47PM (#48326670)
It's not just a short, it's a portfolio of X short + X long. It's effectively canceling perfectly.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by bryanlarsen on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:00PM (#48326889)
There's an ETF for everything out there. (There are more ETF's than stocks). There'll be a large market for "S&P500 without SpaceX" et al, so it's seems likely somebody will fill it. It probably will have to use a worse name because of the S&P trademark.

P.S. Here's an example of S&P500 without the magnificent 7 https://www.defianceetfs.com/xmag/

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by addandsubtract on Saturday May 30, 2026 @07:45AM (#48335157)
A&W 500 (because it only lists companies A-W)
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by joelthelion on Friday May 29, 2026 @03:01PM (#48327764)
I've sold all my stocks. My reasoning is that if AI stocks go bust, they will take the global stock market with them.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by parliament32 on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:30PM (#48326420)
> some sort of trade that would eliminate my exposure to SpaceX

I think it's less complicated than you'd think.. just buy LEAPS puts proportional to your exposure.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by daft_pink on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:53PM (#48326775)
LEAPS are very expensive.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by parliament32 on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:01PM (#48326910)
Because they're long-term, yes. It'll really come down to how much you're willing to pay for monthly Elon-shenanigans-insurance.

I'm very interested in seeing how the market prices these options after the IPO.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by jakub_g on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:28PM (#48326390)
One annoying thing is that those "non-standard" ETF variants have much higher management costs than basic S&P500 / All World ETFs.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by nothercastle on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:35PM (#48326484)
Dimension funds aren’t bad
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by xenospn on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:22PM (#48326299)
Stock markets are ruled by hype and fomo. Good corporate governance has little to do with returns, unfortunately.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by epistasis on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:23PM (#48326319)
Short term gains are hype and fomo, but if you're holding index funds long like I am, then returns have a lot more to do with performance. And given the lack of hype around ESG, it seems like an exceptional time to buy in to it.
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by wolvoleo on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:00PM (#48326886)
That's also the kind of thing that pension funds should be investing in. They shouldn't invest in hypes as they're by definition in for the long haul and eventually hypes always blow.

Sure you can make a lot of money but only if you know when to get out before the crash. And that's something that doesn't gel well with long term investment.

Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by JumpinJack_Cash on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:28PM (#48326392)
Bro the index is about riding the hype and fomo and when the phenomenon progressively loses track it gets less and less quota
Re:Danish Pension Blacklists SpaceX over 'Catastrophic Gover... by epistasis on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:41PM (#48326589)
I don't understand the lingo in your comment but my best possible guess is that I disagree vehemently with it.

Long term dollar cost averaging is not about hype and fomo. Overall pricing in equities does vary according to alternative investment routes, which is why I'm diversified into those as well.

Stonks go up. Stonks go down. Averaging over decades, ownership is about owning a share of productive output of a large portion of our entire economy, an amazing restructuring of social relations that presents an amazing opportunity for the common person, unseen throughout the history of humanity.