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Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by rayiner on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:01PM (#48258360)
Read the law! It’s there in black and white! It’s 8 USC 1101(a)(15) and (a)(15)(H). It’s a “nonimmigrant” visa for people “temporarily” in the U.S. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101

How is it “delusional” to interpret a law that’s plastered with the words “non immigrant” and “temporary” and say that maybe it shouldn’t be a de facto path to permanent residency?

Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by FireBeyond on Sunday May 24, 2026 @12:42PM (#48258806)
As is the K-1 fiance visa. Talk to us of how the purpose of the K-1 fiance visa is a "nonimmigrant" visa that is for people to be allowed "temporarily" into the US to see their spouse, and that it is "delusional" to think that that might be a path to permanent residency with their spouse.
Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by infamia on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:01PM (#48259011)
Because the words temporary amd nonimmigrant don't carry the meaning that you're imbuing into them. Fiance visas operate very similarly to these dual intent H1 visas. You're granted a temporary nonimmigrant status while you pursue a permanent one. The words nonimmigrant and temporary doesn't exclude pursuing a permanent status at all.

In the case of a K-1, it is assumed you will transition from a temporary nonimmigrant status to a permanent status. [1] Requiring folks to move to the U.S., and then go back out of the country to get a green card, only to return again, is absurd. That absurd dance for both K1 and H1 w/dual intents is the reason the laws and guidance provided to agents changed starting in the 50's through the 90's. These changes in guidance to agents are nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to suppress people coming to the U.S. lawfully, which is absurd and deeply anti-American.

[1] https://www.uscis.gov/family/family-of-us-citizens/visas-for...

Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by rayiner on Sunday May 24, 2026 @04:52PM (#48260899)
The K1 visa is even more temporary! It’s only for 90 days, and under the section 1255(d), the government doesn’t even have the power to convert a K1 visa into permanent residency. It’s like a tourist visa. The visa itself is not a pathway to anything.

People who come here on a K1 get permanent residency once they get married through a different statutory route: 8 USC 1154. But that has nothing to with the K1 itself. That route is available to anyone married to a US citizen, including illegal immigrants under certain conditions, or aliens who get married abroad. The K1 visa isn’t a stepping stone to permanent status. It’s just a convenience that allows people to have the wedding in the U.S. instead of the spouse’s home country.

Re:Green Card Seekers Must Leave U.S. to Apply, Trump Admini... by infamia on Monday May 25, 2026 @11:35PM (#48274668)
> It’s like a tourist visa. The visa itself is not a pathway to anything. > ... > People who come here on a K1 get permanent residency once they get married through a different statutory route: 8 USC 1154. But that has nothing to with the K1 itself.

The UCIS explicitly links the K-1 (which has the words temporary and non-immigrant visa scattered throughout) to a de facto path to permanent status (see below). The fact that the two are different statutes is moving the goal posts (i.e., a logical fallacy). The government clearly sees them as a linked pathway to permanent status.

> "If you are a U.S. citizen who wants to bring your foreign fiancé(e) to the United States in order to get married"

https://www.uscis.gov/family/family-of-us-citizens/visas-for...

> The K1 visa isn’t a stepping stone to permanent status. It’s just a convenience that allows people to have the wedding in the U.S. instead of the spouse’s home country.

There's a reason they require a medical exam to be filed with the consulate as a part of the K-1 application, they expect you to be in the U.S. for a long time. K style visas are a lot more than a convenience, they are the law of the land and have been so for nearly 75 years.