News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by CamperBob2 on Friday May 22, 2026 @11:02AM (#48236908)
As others have pointed out, that's a naïve and frankly incorrect reading of Chinese history, but it's also not something that can be addressed here.
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by hackyhacky on Friday May 22, 2026 @11:55AM (#48237588)
It evidently can be addressed here, as you yourself mentioned. No one has yet pointed out to me why my reading is "naive and frankly incorrect," so feel free to be the first.
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by ivewonyoung on Friday May 22, 2026 @03:03PM (#48240015)
I listed the reforms upthread that you ignored.

All the reforms fit a capitalistic model, not just a free commerce model.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48231586

And of course, Mao's communism was very anti-capitalistic.

Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by hackyhacky on Friday May 22, 2026 @04:30PM (#48241236)
All well and good but you still haven't addressed my point which is that China's reduction of poverty is due to its central control of wages, construction, and capital.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48236489

Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by CamperBob2 on Friday May 22, 2026 @05:11PM (#48241740)
An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by hackyhacky on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:09PM (#48259075)
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by ivewonyoung on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:33PM (#48270723)
State owned enterprises != private companies. Even in the US, govt salaries for higher ups are asymptotically low compared to private companies.
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by hackyhacky on Tuesday May 26, 2026 @08:01AM (#48278538)
> As of 2013, two-thirds of Chinese graduates set their sights on a government position or a role at a major state-owned firm,
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by ivewonyoung on Friday May 22, 2026 @09:24PM (#48243602)
They had "central control of wages, construction, and capital" to a much higher degree before they started becoming capitalistic in 1976 and the poverty levels were much much worse and not going down. They only started going down once they embraced capitalism and started allowing private companies.
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by hackyhacky on Sunday May 24, 2026 @01:08PM (#48259062)
That is consistent with my earlier statement: capitalism creates wealth, but you need another system to distribute it fairly. It's crazy to think that capitalism alone will "raise all boats" when this has been shown to be untrue.
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by ivewonyoung on Monday May 25, 2026 @03:41PM (#48270798)
Capitalism creates wealth only when people are able to keep a decent amount of what they make. As a thought experiment, if you tax people at close to 100% under capitalism and "distribute" it to people that don't work, what do you think will happen?

Surely there is a disincentive to working hard as taxes approach high levels while resources are increasingly provided for free if one doesn't work. The Laffer curve and all that.

If you keep increasing taxes and reward people that don't work by giving them free and easy wealth, the tax revenue will actually go down at some point instead of going up, leaving less to redistribute. It's like killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

https://fee.org/articles/the-laffer-curve-its-time-to-stop-l...

Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by hackyhacky on Tuesday May 26, 2026 @08:03AM (#48278556)
> Capitalism creates wealth only when people are able to keep a decent amount of what they make. As a thought experiment, if you tax people at close to 100% under capitalism and "distribute" it to people that don't work, what do you think will happen?

That's one approach, but not the only one, to eliminating capitalism.

> Surely there is a disincentive to working hard as taxes approach high levels while resources are increasingly provided for free if one doesn't work. The Laffer curve and all that.

So in the US in the 1950s and 1960s, when the highest marginal tax rate was around 90%, did people suddenly stop working? Or did the US enter its highest period of productivity and income equality?

Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by ivewonyoung on Saturday May 30, 2026 @09:34PM (#48342284)
Re:AI is killing the cheap smartphone by hackyhacky on Sunday May 31, 2026 @07:57AM (#48345031)
This chart looks at the top 1%. This is intentionally deceptive. "The total national income share earned by the top 1% and top 0.1% in that era was far lower than it is now, and consequently, the income thresholds required for entry into the ranks of the top 1% or the top 0.1% were lower. By today’s standards, there were many fewer rich households in the 1950s than there are now—in fact, almost none. The rich people from the 1950s that Greenberg is comparing to the rich of today were what we would now call the upper middle class—thus, not an apples-to-apples comparison. Had there been any 2017-style rich people in those days, they would likely have faced an effective tax rate near that confiscatory statutory rate of 91%.... It’s not a coincidence that the rich are so much richer now than they were in the 50s: it’s precisely because effective tax rates on the rich have gone down so much that it’s worthwhile to become rich in the first place." [1]

Why is your article making claims that, while true, give a distorted view of 1950s tax policy? It's certainly possible that an organization called the "Tax Institute" has an agenda they are trying to push.

[1] https://rooseveltinstitute.org/blog/effective-progressive-ta...