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Re:Mysterious number 6174 by juanpablo on Friday February 13, 2009 @03:58PM (#480399)
6174 it's the only real solution of this system of equations: 9 ≥ a ≥ b ≥ c ≥ d ≥ 0 abcd - dcba = ABCD
Re:Mysterious number 6174 by Retric on Friday February 13, 2009 @04:04PM (#480405)
Are you positive that's true for all bases?
Re:Mysterious number 6174 by jerf on Friday February 13, 2009 @06:11PM (#480604)
The statement as juanpaulo gives it has no hidden dependence on bases. It is all spelled out by the conditions. The symbols a b c d stand for any values, not the "actual digits" 0-9, which are also merely placeholders for values with no "true meaning" of their own.
Re:Mysterious number 6174 by Retric on Friday February 13, 2009 @07:07PM (#480662)
He is using both digits and the nubers that sequence of digits represents in that equation.

In base 10, 7641 - 1467 = 6174.

In base 11, 7641 - 1467 = 4808.

Finding tricks that work in base 10 is interesting, but it's a much more fun to look for patterns that work across several number systems. A simple example is for any base > 3, (base - 1) times x where base > x > 1; you get a 2 digit number [x - 1],[base - x]

Re:Mysterious number 6174 by jerf on Friday February 13, 2009 @08:40PM (#480742)
No, they are not. The symbols in the equation are simply numbers, and "9 ≥ a ≥ b ≥ c ≥ d ≥ 0" constrains them to 0-9.

You are mistaking the map for the territory, sort of. The positional aspects of the number system get encoded the equations and then the mere "numbers" don't matter anymore.

Re:Mysterious number 6174 by Retric on Friday February 13, 2009 @10:32PM (#480804)
I think we are talking past each other. In base ten if you start with 1234 and cycle though asdf - fdsa > new number you hit a single stable number 6174 .

In base 11 using 6174 you cycle:

4808, 87A3, 7094, 9272, 3098, 9452, 7094 (cycle)

I was thinking of a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_map for this equation abcd - dcba > might be interesting across different bases.

Re:Mysterious number 6174 by jmathes on Friday February 13, 2009 @10:24PM (#480798)
Yes they are. Where he meant 1000a+100b+10c+d he wrote abcd.