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Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by Yoric on Sunday April 26, 2026 @04:22PM (#47913893)
I would argue that profit maximization has had very many effects.

On the one side, it has succeeded at reducing costs, which has indeed given rich societies unprecedented access to consumer goods.

On the other, it has outsourced from us both jobs and knowledge, which has resulted in higher unemployment and dissatisfaction, with as consequences the political dominoes we see falling internationally. That and the shoddy US health system (which the rest of the world seems to have decided to follow, for some reason).

And there is the small fact that we're in the process of optimizing the planet to death, and that not-so-rich countries (as well as formerly-rich ones) have starved to death for this high standard of living.

So, let's appreciate our standard of living, but not assume that it's necessarily a good thing in the grand scheme of things.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:28PM (#47914739)
Outsourcing happens when it is cheaper to build something somewhere else. Tariffs can compensate for that.

Where are the starving people in capitalist countries?

The US health care system is pretty much run by the government. It is not a result of free markets.

A large part of profit maximization (i.e. optimizing) usually means reducing the amount of material needed. Isn't that a good thing?

The people who "rough it" in the wilderness still seem to be backpacking in hi tech equipment. I read about the kit that Lewis & Clark carried. No thanks. (Even on that "Alone" show, they bring hi tech equipment.)

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by Yoric on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:24PM (#47915367)
> Outsourcing happens when it is cheaper to build something somewhere else. Tariffs can compensate for that.

Is that free market?

> Where are the starving people in capitalist countries?

The first example from the top of my head is Argentina.

> A large part of profit maximization (i.e. optimizing) usually means reducing the amount of material needed. Isn't that a good thing?

This very much depends on the industry. In software, for instance, it's exactly the opposite.

> The people who "rough it" in the wilderness still seem to be backpacking in hi tech equipment. I read about the kit that Lewis & Clark carried. No thanks. (Even on that "Alone" show, they bring hi tech equipment.)

No idea what you're talking about.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:51PM (#47916868)
Is what a free market? outsourcing - yes. Tariffs - no.

Argentina is hardly a free market country - https://borgenproject.org/hunger-in-argentina/

> In software, for instance, it's exactly the opposite.

??

> No idea what you're talking about.

Watch "Alone". I think it's on Netflix. Compare it with the kit of Lewis and Clark.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by Yoric on Monday April 27, 2026 @02:47AM (#47918455)
> > In software, for instance, it's exactly the opposite.

>

> ??

During the last 30+ years, the trend has always been to increase hardware use to save on development/thinking time. AI is the latest and most extreme version of it.

> Argentina is hardly a free market country - https://borgenproject.org/hunger-in-argentina/

Are you by any chance moving the goalposts?