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Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:45PM (#47912742)
The Law of Supply and Demand is in play, and it means a company cannot dictate prices, wages, or working conditions in a free market economy. Rising productivity would have reduced the average work week regardless.

If you still aren't convinced, consider that the benefits package routinely offered to employees is worth around 40% of their pay.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by KittenInABox on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:56PM (#47913577)
> Rising productivity would have reduced the average work week regardless.

Do you have evidence of this?

> consider that the benefits package routinely offered to employees is worth around 40% of their pay

Please define "routinely" and "employees". Part-time employees do not get benefits packages, much less benefits packages worth 40% of their pay. PTO, Sick time, family leave, and other "benefits" are actually legally mandated and I do not see any evidence that companies would offer this if they were not mandated to do so.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:53PM (#47915058)
> Do you have evidence of this?

Yes. Part time work.

Google sez: "Total compensation generally exceeds base salary by 30% to 50% for many roles, meaning salary often represents only 60% to 70% of an employee's total worth to the company."

Google sez total compensation includes bonuses, commission, stock options, employer-paid insurance (health, life, disability), retirement contributions, paid time off, tuition reimbursement, student loan assistance, gym memberships, employee discounts, Childcare assistance, commuter benefits, and relocation expenses.

None of those are mandated by law.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by nobodyandproud on Sunday April 26, 2026 @04:49PM (#47914271)
A free market is bound by the rules of the market, which is trade agreements and government.

Meaning it can be changed and adjusted.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:29PM (#47914750)
Nobody has ever succeeded adjusting the Law of Supply & Demand. Not even the die hard communists.
Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by nobodyandproud on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:32PM (#47915451)
I’ll be sure to bring a posse of gunmen to my next negotiation.

Every well functioning market has ground rules. We call that laws.

And every well-functioning market has enforcer of said ground rules. We call that government.

Believing that the market is unregulated is faith-driven nonsense, which flies in the face of evidence.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:54PM (#47916886)
A free market requires laws that protect property rights and prevent people from using force and fraud against others.

"Your signature on the contract or your brains" is not a free market transaction.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by nobodyandproud on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:02PM (#47916937)
Why does it require it? To what aim does this serve the market?

A check against fraud and protection of property rights can be achieved through force and violence and the threat of violence, so that answer seems inadequate.

Likewise, supply and demand is definitely affected by government policies. The supply of labor, for example, by allowing or disallowing near shore or off-shore work with steep penalties. Or allowing/disallowing gambling.

So that also flies in the face of evidence.

It’s a self-serving, faith-based belief that that desires to put “market forces” beyond the reach of voters. It’s also a colossal delusion.

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:41PM (#47917148)
> Why does it require it?

The idea is that transactions then become mutually beneficial.

You cannot vote away the Law of Supply and Demand any more than you can legislate pi=3.00

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by nobodyandproud on Monday April 27, 2026 @08:36PM (#47929087)
Who said anything about “voting away”?

It’s a strange blindspot you have where you understand there is clearly some government role to have a free market, yet can’t see that this also means the government can influence—not eliminate, you’re the one making this claim not me—supply and demand.

The government clearly has levers to influence supply, but I’m failing to make it clear it seems.

As for making transactions beneficial between two parties: Which two parties?

Why does this belief not extend to workers and businesses?

Why doesn’t the lobbying by firms to support H1Bs and off-shore prove that government policies clearly impacts labor supply?

Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by danmaz74 on Monday April 27, 2026 @02:01AM (#47918202)
Human societies aren't governed by simple, divine Laws. "Free market economy", based on rational actors, is an abstraction, an idealized model which is useful to understand some mechanisms, but it's far - VERY far - from being a complete model of any real society. At some point, trying to explain everything with the simple rules of that abstraction becomes an ideology just like Communism, which tries to do the same with different abstractions/simplifications.
Re:The West Forgot How to Make Things. Now It's Forgetting H... by WalterBright on Tuesday April 28, 2026 @02:00AM (#47930881)
The difference between free market theory and communist theory is free market countries are far, far more prosperous than communist ones.