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Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by fl4regun on Friday April 17, 2026 @11:32AM (#47807044)
yeah that distinction is pretty important, and in general that guy I believe IS making the point - if you can not control it with guaranteed outcomes - you cannot control it.
Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by gwerbin on Friday April 17, 2026 @01:03PM (#47808076)
You can't control it any more than you can control a draw from a deck of cards, but you can absolutely control the deck of cards that you choose to draw from.
Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by ignaloidas on Friday April 17, 2026 @03:36PM (#47809718)
The problem is that nobody really does that? Like, as far as I'm aware, even simple stuff such as not considering tokens that would result in a syntax error when writing code isn't being done.
Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by fl4regun on Friday April 17, 2026 @05:00PM (#47810513)
magicians can probably make you change your mind on the former
Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by wat10000 on Friday April 17, 2026 @01:56PM (#47808672)
That's silly. My car is not absolutely guaranteed to turn left when I turn the steering wheel left, but you wouldn't say I can't control my car on that basis.

Steering an LLM with a prompt is way less reliable than steering a car with a steering wheel, but there's still control. It's just not absolute.

Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by fl4regun on Friday April 17, 2026 @05:02PM (#47810522)
if your car doesn' turn left when you turn the steering wheel left, the problem is that the car is broken, if an LLM does something unexpected after you gave it instructions, that's possible when the LLM is functioning entirely correctly.
Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by TeMPOraL on Friday April 17, 2026 @06:23PM (#47811230)
Nothing in this world is guaranteed. That doesn't mean it's uniformly random either. LLMs can still do something unexpected if you give them clear instructions, but that doesn't mean it'll be arbitrary and unpredictable in scope. The same way C/C++ undefined behavior technically means program can give you nasal demons, but in reality it won't do anything unusual (like format your C:/ drive) unless someone purposefully coded it to do that.
Re:Isaac Asimov: The Last Question by hyperhello on Friday April 17, 2026 @08:11PM (#47811962)
This is all going to flash through your mind when your car mysteriously doesn't turn left. I would prefer to think of machines as things with defined outputs and failure is failure, more than as fluffy little kittens who might do the wrong thing, if the consequences are going to fall on someone who doesn't deserve it.