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Re:Legalising marijuana: the view from Mexico by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 10, 2012 @09:25AM (#4766694)
> Some people here in HN tend to think that drug cartels run businesses, but they're wrong.

If they weren't, they'd quickly got kicked out from the market by someone who was.

> Those guys are regular greedy criminals, some with sociopathic tendencies.

Like some enterpreneurs are much different.

You assume that because they're doing bad things (morally and/or legally), they're not thinking, but instead they are driven by their impulses. It's a silly assumption and I think disproved many times. Freakonomics comes to my mind as one example.

Re:Legalising marijuana: the view from Mexico by msbarnett on Saturday November 10, 2012 @03:43PM (#4767681)
> If they weren't, they'd quickly got kicked out from the market by someone who was.

It's pretty naive to imagine that black market cartels are competing in anything like an idealized free market. In the lawless environments being talked about, a worse businessman can always beat a better competitor simply by being better at violence.

Gang warfare and mass killings are rife down their. This isn't some naive libertarian fantasy market where La Familia is just another scrappy silicon valley startup.

Re:Legalising marijuana: the view from Mexico by TeMPOraL on Saturday November 10, 2012 @09:37PM (#4768578)
The abstract structure of a market seems to be the same, just the rules are different. Companies operating legally fight in courts, drug cartels fight on the streets with guns. In both cases, it's part of the rules the environment sets. So the competitor better at violence is a better competitor, by the rules of the market they operate in.
Re:Legalising marijuana: the view from Mexico by mmariani on Saturday November 10, 2012 @09:39AM (#4766724)
> Like some enterpreneurs are much different.

Speak for yourself. I'm not.

BTW, I didn't assume anything, I just read the news and talk to people that have been through the fear of losing their lives by these crooks hands.

I don't understand what you're trying to rationalize here, probably you've never had someone determined to take your life away for nothing.

Re:Legalising marijuana: the view from Mexico by gnosis on Saturday November 10, 2012 @10:18AM (#4766820)
Corporations have had entire armies and countries at their command (not to mention that there is no clear dividing line between corporations and the government). The lives lost due to turf wars waged by drug cartels are not even a drop in the ocean compared to the lives lost in real wars waged for profit.
Re:Legalising marijuana: the view from Mexico by btilly on Saturday November 10, 2012 @10:49AM (#4766908)
Let's see. The current Mexican drug war seems to have taken about 50k lives.

The Nicaraguan counter-revolution backed by the CIA took an estimated 29K lives.

The two seem comparable. And the comparison in this case is reasonable because the Mexican war stepped up when mercenaries who had fought in Central America joined the cartels.