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Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by wordpad on Thursday April 02, 2026 @01:32PM (#47617469)
Do you think it's just part of their training set now?
Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by alexeiz on Thursday April 02, 2026 @02:35PM (#47618375)
It's time to do "frog on a skateboard" now.
Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by Wyverald on Friday April 03, 2026 @09:16PM (#47634537)
Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by lysace on Thursday April 02, 2026 @03:24PM (#47619012)
Seems very likely, even if Google has behaved ethically, I think?

Simon and YC/HN has published/boosted these gradual improvements and evaluations for quite some time now.

Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by simonw on Thursday April 02, 2026 @01:53PM (#47617808)
If it's part of their training set why do the 2B and 4B models produce such terrible SVGs?
Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by vessenes on Thursday April 02, 2026 @02:23PM (#47618215)
We were promised full SVG zoos, Simon. I want to see SVG pangolins please
Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by retinaros on Thursday April 02, 2026 @04:05PM (#47619480)
because generating nice looking svg requires handling code, shapes, long context, reasoning and at 2b you most likely will break the syntax of the file 9 times out of 10 if you train for that. or you will need to go for simpler pelicans. might not be worth to ft on a 2b. but on their top tier open model it is definitly worth it. even not directly but just crawling a github would make it train on your pelicans.
Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by wolttam on Thursday April 02, 2026 @04:39PM (#47619863)
Because it is in their training set but it's unrealistic to expect a 2B or 4B model to be able to perfectly reproduce everything it's seen before.

The training no doubt contributed to their ability to (very) loosely approximate an SVG of pelican on a bicycle, though.

Frankly I'm impressed

Re:Google releases Gemma 4 open models by nickpsecurity on Thursday April 02, 2026 @06:51PM (#47621209)
Larger models better understand and reproduce what's in their training set.

For example, I used to get verbatim quotes and answers from copyrighted works when I used GPT-3.5. That's what clued me in to the copyright problem. Whereas, the smallest models often produced nonsense about the same topics. Because small models often produce nonsense.

You might need to do a new test each time to avoid your old ones being scraped into the training sets. Maybe a new one for each model produced after your last one. Totally unrelated to the last one, too.