Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender Athletes in Womens Events

Re:Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender At... by rdevilla on Thursday March 26, 2026 @10:24PM (#47538464)

This implies that males who identify as women but do not undergo HRT are not women in the context of sports (and their gender in other contexts remains ill defined, especially in the absence of perverse incentive). This is a form of misgendering, which is what we were trying to avoid in the first place.

    This is a position that one could take up, but it comes
    at a steep cost. It holds the societal acceptance of
    transgenderism hostage to a biological account of
    sex-gender. This is problematic for several reasons.

    Moreover, it is worth highlighting the problems with
    suggesting that sex, as biologically based, determines
    the gender with which one psychologically identifies
    [...] Second, whatever criterion is offered to ground
    this similarity would inevitably disqualify many women,
    for not all women share the same hormone levels,
    reproductive capacity, gonadal structure, genital
    makeup, and so on. (Tuvel 2017)

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Re:Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender At... by space_fountain on Thursday March 26, 2026 @10:56PM (#47538638)

Again I don’t take it be saying that. It’s saying that encouraging women to be forced to be in emotional distress to succeed at sport is problematic so we should require hrt so that elite sport doesn’t require trans women to skip hrt

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Re:Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender At... by rdevilla on Thursday March 26, 2026 @10:59PM (#47538655)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47538165

Such a common pattern, I'm tired of seeing it. "That's not what it's saying, those words actually mean..." again and again, ad infinitum. A perverse form of moving the goalposts. Your reply has no relation whatsoever to what was previously stated, it is a new argument entirely.

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Re:Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender At... by space_fountain on Thursday March 26, 2026 @11:03PM (#47538672)

Nope, I’m consistently saying the same thing. When have I said something else?

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Re:Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender At... by rdevilla on Thursday March 26, 2026 @11:05PM (#47538678)

> It’s saying that encouraging women to be forced to be in emotional distress to succeed at sport is problematic

This was never said by anyone until you came along with that comment, which is a totally different idea (effectively a non sequitur). Can you quote who echoed the same argument?

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Re:Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender At... by space_fountain on Thursday March 26, 2026 @11:54PM (#47538979)

I said "Sports should only be segregated by this <gender identity> category, except that to remove perverse incentives it’s reasonable to require hrt"

That was trying to elaborate on citruscomputing's argument where they said "Otherwise you have trans women having to choose between being more competitive and receiving necessary medical care."

I'm rephrasing those two points. Apologies if I initially described that badly, but I'm just restating the perverse incentive they were talking about

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Re:Olympic Committee Announces a Broad Ban of Transgender At... by rdevilla on Sunday March 29, 2026 @08:03PM (#47568806)

> "That's not what it's saying, those words actually mean..."

> I'm rephrasing those two points.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

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