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Re:Apple Just Lost Me by soapdog on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @11:39AM (#47518855)
Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree.

> 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple's stance, I find most of the arguments are less than honest about the pros of things like developer verification for the end user.

Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog. I wish that apps that went through notarisation would simply run like the ones from the app store without a dialog showing.

> 3. (...) the least restrictive route by choosing credit card verification.

But not everyone has a credit card. Those are not something you're born with or required to have or even required to have them issued from the same country you're living in. That is not the least restrictive, that is a very large assumption. What I would have liked to have seen is them providing you with options: "do you want to use credit card verification? National ID? Passport? Credit check? Etc" and then it is up to each user to decide on their risk profile and what they are okay with.

As of now, my only way to verify it is by literally ordering a credit card from my UK bank when I'm pretty happy with my debit cards already.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by stephc_int13 on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @11:48AM (#47518985)
I am in the same situation. French citizen living in the UK. I never owned a credit card and I have no use for it.

I can't pass the age-verification. I am 49. This alone is quite irritating, but the overall developer-hostility of Apple and the quality drift of their software is convincing me to never buy an iOS device again.

And I'll probably not release any software on their platforms either.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by fmajid on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @07:22PM (#47524637)
French-US citizen living in the UK as well. I am not experiencing this because I refuse to install iOS 26 on my iPhone, and like the OP I am transitioning away from Apple to Linux + GrapheneOS, and about 90% of the way there since I started 6 months ago.
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by afandian on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @12:11PM (#47519364)
Are you ruling out sending a photo of your driving license?

It's absolutely nuts that you have to. But it's an option?

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by soapdog on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @12:21PM (#47519475)
that's the thing, it is not an option. The only option is credit card, that is what drove me nuts. If it had other options, it would still be bad, but I'd have a way to solve it even if made me angry. Now, the only way to solve this is literally to order a credit card from my bank and then use it. Which is bonkers.
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by jbarrs on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @12:41PM (#47519770)
I haven't tested this myself, but verifying with a driver's license should be supported [1]. Anecdotally, I've heard you have to fail the automatic Apple Wallet credit card verification, get to the screen where you're asked to input a credit card manually, and there should be something hidden in a corner that you can click to verify by uploading an ID.

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1s2n1yc/psa_apple_h...

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by connorgurney on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @01:29PM (#47520514)
It’s definitely an option in the UK, as I’ve just used it, though it’s not particularly prominent.

If you choose the option to verify with a credit card and scroll down the form, there’s an option to verify another way, which allows you to use your driving license.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by afandian on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @12:35PM (#47519683)
Ah, I assumed from this page that it was an option: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/125662
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by GeekyBear on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @12:38PM (#47519729)
Apparently it depends on the requirements of your local government.

> Depending on your country or region, different options might be available to confirm that you're an adult.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by wpm on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @12:27PM (#47519560)
Apple has shown a warning on downloaded-from-the-internet apps since Mac OS X Tiger. That's the only reason it's being shown, there is no scary warning that users need to step-through in some basement in System Settings as they would for a non-notarized app. The popup even says "Apple has checked this application for malware". It is the smallest of friction present to get apps to run, as I'd argue that the sandboxing requirement for App Store apps and the need for a sign-in make the App Store a worse experience.

And I say this as someone more or less utterly in the same boat as you. I bought a used Thinkpad last June after seeing the first Tahoe beta. It's clear Apple is not the platform for us anymore.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by soapdog on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @01:03PM (#47520140)
I don't like the App Store experience and sandboxing either. I just find it almost malicious that they added that dialog even for notarised applications. Notarised applications should show no dialog whatsoever, just like App Store ones. It is these little frictions that move users to App Store apps. How many users saw that, had doubts, and then decided to go back to the "safe" walled garden.
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by GeekyBear on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @12:30PM (#47519615)
> Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog.

Notarisation is just proof that the app went through an automated malware scan.

Windows, Mac, and Android have all adopted measures intended to warn and attempt to protect users from malware.

As far as age verification goes, this is a restriction being forced on companies by governments.

Apple previously allowed parents to set age restrictions on their children, or not, as they saw fit.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by merlindru on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @03:10PM (#47521820)
Notarised apps are still handled differently and made harder to run than apps from the AppStore
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by GeekyBear on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @04:10PM (#47522501)
Just like Windows and now Android.
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by bigyabai on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @07:24PM (#47524656)
macOS copying Windows and Android is not a consolation in 2026.
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by merlindru on Friday March 27, 2026 @07:21AM (#47541334)
yeah they're moving into the wrong direction as well. not to mention that notarisation is for after-the-fact anyways. malware still slips through (historically true!). it's just supposed to shrink the blast radius AFTER apple knows a binary is malware.

what does the scare modal of "are you really sure you wanna run this? could be bad dude..." do?

the only purpose i can see it serving is to push devs to use the AppStore on mac, which is highly restricted in what you can do, and of course, takes 30% of your revenue

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by nazgu1 on Thursday March 26, 2026 @08:42AM (#47529729)
You have to pay apple 150$ annually for the pleasure of notarisation, even if you make open-source apps. Yet you cannot distribute apps outside store on mobile (besides in eu, but not really, but is't topic on its own…).
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by GeekyBear on Thursday March 26, 2026 @10:14AM (#47530746)
Have you tried pricing an extended validation code signing certificate needed to get around Windows SmartScreen?
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by grepnork on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @02:29PM (#47521315)
TBH most of these seem like minor complaints. I've been using Apple since system 5 and I don't really see the issues you highlight as valid, they're annoyances to you but they're for other types of user.

>Gatekeeping

It's a one button dialog, hardly the end of the world, and for users like my 80-year-old mother (An Apple user since the Apple II) who rarely needs to stray outside the App store it improves her security. It's not for you, it's for users like her.

They're tightening security because security needs to be tighter. My bugbear is the implementation of privacy and security permissions because I have to walk people through it continually, it makes no sense, but it's hardly a big deal.

>Liquid glass

It makes a lot more visual sense after my upgrade to a 17 Pro from a 13 Pro, but it also ran faster on the 13 pro than the previous edition. I'm not a fan, but I haven't always been a fan of Apple interfaces since the 1980s, I wasn't into the skeuomorphic era, and people love to have a moan.

It took 5 minutes to turn the all the features off on both mac and phone, the only bugbear is the 3D border, and the contacts background (solved by turning on high contrast mode).

It was a big release, they know where the bugs are, and have already said the next release is about bugfixing and streamlining.

>But not everyone has a credit card.

68% of UK adults have one, and there is an option to scan and upload an ID. IRL law is catching up to the internet at last, and as the father of a daughter who got her first dick pic at 12 this is a good thing. It's not for you, it's for her.

You're not always the primary user these features target so you may not see the logic behind them.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by queenkjuul on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @08:08PM (#47525081)
I'm sorry to break it to you but Apple scanning credit cards will not stop your daughter or me or anyone else getting dick pics
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by ActorNightly on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @02:41PM (#47521441)
>Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog. I wish that apps that went through notarisation would simply run like the ones from the app store without a dialog showing.

The thing is, Apple has never been about developers, its main thing was to basically sell an image since its inception. A lot of people were excited about the iPhone when it first came out, and then they quickly realized how locked down it was, and how it didn't even have basic copy paste.

Even now, if you look at the AnE in the age of llms, all of it is locked down specifically because its only for Apple to use.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by buzzert on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @09:30PM (#47525683)
I thought it was amusing that you said Apple was a "stupid American company with American values", even though you're actually complaining about a UK law. You do know this isn't a thing in the US, right? Just your country?
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by soapdog on Wednesday March 25, 2026 @10:07PM (#47525890)
you might not be aware, but UK law doesn't actually require Apple to do it. It is targetted at social networks. Even ofcom posted praising Apple for doing it even if they didn't need to. And yes, that law is stupid, but allowing only credit cards as a way to verify an account is also stupid.
Re:Apple Just Lost Me by StudyAnimal on Thursday March 26, 2026 @02:15AM (#47527161)
If you can use a debit card to buy stuff online, then it’s probably a visa or Mastercard, which would qualify as a “credit card” for identity verification.

Before people in other countries started popularizing the term “debit card”, most of my visa and Mastercards were hooked up to take money direct from my bank account, but they were still called credit cards.

Re:Apple Just Lost Me by mbirth on Thursday March 26, 2026 @06:49AM (#47528865)
> As of now, my only way to verify it is by literally ordering a credit card from my UK bank when I'm pretty happy with my debit cards already.

This is not true. On the screen where it wants you to scan a credit card, tap “Enter details manually”. Scroll down. Tap “Try other methods”. And there, you’ll be offered to scan an ID or your driver’s license.